SammyGuru with Jeff Springer
SammyGuru with Jeff Springer
One UI 7.0 Beta Boycott + Galaxy Z Fold Special Edition Deep Dive
If you're curious about Samsung's mysterious One UI 7 beta, you’re not alone. We lay out the drama behind the delays, the excitement around the Galaxy S25 launch in San Francisco, and the intriguing possibility of a Galaxy S25 Slim model stealing the show. The world of foldable technology is heating up, and we're here to explore how Samsung's strategies might fare against Huawei’s latest innovations. Whether it's understanding the subtle tweaks of new software features or navigating the tech giant's pricing gambits, this episode promises an engaging blend of speculation and analysis for tech enthusiasts.
As we conclude, the focus shifts to the tactile elegance of Samsung's foldable phone lineup and the potential of S-Pen integration. We weigh the practicalities and trade-offs of using these devices as daily drivers, reflecting on the consumer appetite for innovative designs against the backdrop of real-world usability. Whether poring over Galaxy photo editor upgrades or contemplating the future of messaging apps on Samsung devices, there's a distinct mix of anticipation and critique. This episode is a rich tapestry of insights and stories that span sports spectrums and tech terrains, crafted to keep you entertained and informed. Join us for a journey through touchdowns, tech trends, and tantalizing teasers that promise to keep you coming back for more.
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Welcome back everybody. This is episode number 21 of the Sammy Guru Podcast. My name is Jeff Springer. With me, as always, my co-host, torrey. Torrey, say hi, how's it going. We're here on a Sunday. I think this might be a first for us too. We did Monday last week. Yeah, not today, we did Sunday. We're just moving it all around here on a football. Sunday the Steelers just won. I watched that game with my wife. She's a big Steelers fan.
Speaker 2:Tor, my wife.
Speaker 1:She's a big Steelers fan. Torrey's high school team got absolutely destroyed in the state playoffs yesterday 52-7, right Torrey Yep 52-7. Which is the same score. Alabama won by yesterday, but they were basically playing a glorified high school team themselves. Yes, Mercer is an FCS team that should definitely have no business playing a team like Alabama, but they do it, so they can get paid a big fat couple million dollar check.
Speaker 1:Yeah, A little tune-up game, I know, but Alabama has two more games Oklahoma and Auburn. If they win those they're definitely going to be in the playoffs.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:That's great news. I think we've got a chance. I mean, our team is luckily kind of coming together at the right time?
Speaker 2:No, it really is. It's kind of you know, speaking to Daybor, like with just the team buying into him and I think us, as a role tie community, we also need to buy into him and just understand that. You know Nick Saban is gone, you know from the team, so you know we have to move forward.
Speaker 1:And I think he probably learned something too about the fact that he needed a little more discipline. Because in the beginning I think, he was just letting the players do whatever they want, like they were basically running the team, like it was a 24-7 party, and he can't be doing that. I mean, if you want to allow a little more leeway than Nick Saban, that's fine, but you can't let the players basically run the show.
Speaker 1:Otherwise you're not going to have the discipline you need to win in high-level football. So very happy though my wife's team, the Steelers 8-2, alabama's 8-2. We're both on tracks for winning success this season. The Steelers look way better than I think anybody thought that they possibly could this season, so really happy to see that the Steelers are performing well. People were so concerned that they might not be able to do well because they thought Russell Wilson might suck or Justin Fields. They went out and got two new quarterbacks in the offseason. Like what if neither of these quarterbacks ends up being any good? And it turns out not one of them, but both of them were good. Justin Fields started the season while Russell Wilson was hurt. He won a bunch of games. Then Russell Wilson takes over. Now he's winning a bunch of games. He's on like a four-game win streak since he took over, so that's exciting. The new Pokemon set still is like sold out everywhere.
Speaker 2:Sold out. Yeah, yeah, even the same place. I told you where to get the box. Yeah, they just said that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they are sold out yeah, I know, I tried to get another box from there, just about every target is sold out.
Speaker 2:They only have just uh blister packs um most uh game stores I've gone to they are just sold out yeah, I went on uh facebook because I just needed one and I bought a case oh nice, I bought a booster case.
Speaker 1:Some guy was selling a booster case for $9.20. I felt like that was a pretty good price.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know that's around like $155 a box. Yeah, yeah, for sure, for a sealed case it's not too bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, so I figured then I didn't have to worry about looking for some around town. Me and Jonathan actually went out yesterday trying to look because he wanted to open some more and I was like I don't think we're going to find any. We found a couple of premium collection boxes at Target that had some surging sparks. I bought one just so he could open some stuff, but there's only like two of the packs of surging sparks. So it's like you know it's not really going to really pull the Pikachu out of there.
Speaker 1:But yeah, what else have you been up to, Tori? How's work going?
Speaker 2:You know work is going. We're starting to get to that wind down phase of like. We have one more full week, then Thanksgiving week and then just three more full weeks and then winter break.
Speaker 1:Do you guys get the entire week off for Thanksgiving?
Speaker 2:I wish.
Speaker 1:No we literally get.
Speaker 2:we go to. Let's see, we have to work Monday, tuesday, full day, I think Wednesday is a half day, and then we get Thursday, friday, off.
Speaker 1:Oh, that stinks. Yeah, Having that whole week off is always nice. It is when I was over there at GCU. It was nice to have the whole week off.
Speaker 2:But now they don't even do that anymore. I mean, most institutions don't even do full weeks anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ASU still does the three full Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. They only get Thanksgiving and Friday off. Yeah so yeah, I kind of think having the whole week, or at least the beginning of the week, being remote is nice.
Speaker 1:Because a lot of students are going to leave anyway. The students who are not here, they can't go to class on Wednesday because they've got to fly home on Wednesday. They're not going to fly on Thanksgiving, You've got to get back on Wednesday. So logistically it just doesn't make any sense, at least to have class on Wednesdays, in my opinion. Yeah, I agree, and most institutions they have some version of like Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Tuesday, Thursday schedules. So if you don't have class on Wednesday, you can't really have class on Tuesday. And then if you don't have class on Tuesday, well, you can't really have class on Monday because that wouldn't be fair to the other group.
Speaker 2:No, it wouldn't be.
Speaker 1:So you know it's kind of a toss-up, but uh, yeah, otherwise things are going pretty well here. Sammy guru, um, I think we're gonna have one more podcast ready to go for the beginning of thanksgiving week, but then that week we're not going to record, so the following week yeah we won't have a podcast for the first time. Hey, gotta cut us a break. That's gonna mean that we have done 22 episodes in a row without taking a break. That's a pretty good streak to start a podcast.
Speaker 1:I don't think very many podcasts hit 22 episodes in a row before they decide to take a week off. And then we're going to try to squeeze out the Christmas week, because Christmas isn't fall on a day that would mess up our schedule. So we probably should still be able to bang that out. And then when I'm at CES in early January, we should still be able to do one. We'll probably have to do it, we'll figure it out, but I think we can still do it. I'll have a lot of stuff to talk about there.
Speaker 1:But this week we have some exciting stuff because I do finally have in my hands here the Galaxy Z Fold Special Edition and I'll put a bunch of B-roll. I'm actually going to post a video version of this, even though we're not recording the video, because I want to put some B-roll in here, the audio overlay. I'm just going to upload the audio but then put in a bunch of B-roll at the Z-fold so you guys can see it on YouTube. But I also have a bunch of videos, so if you want to see what I'm talking about in the podcast, you can also just go watch them, because I posted a ton of stuff already. But I will tell you guys a lot about this in the second half of the show, because we always usually do hardware the second half. I probably have at least 20, 30 minutes worth of stuff to say about this, but I love it. It's the first thing I'll say. Is it worth someone else buying it for $3,000? Probably not. Just because if you buy it, if you get it and it's broken, you won't have any leg to stand on because there's no warranty. Really, if you buy it from another country and import it, that makes it very dangerous to spend three grand on. Luckily, I got this before any other YouTuber, so I got the first videos up on this. Almost all the videos I made on this already have over 100,000 views. I did three of them, so we definitely make our money back at least, which is great. So in the end, this gamble worked out for me and I was able to bring you guys a lot of cool content. So I'll have a really deep dive into this Almost a full review, because I've had it for almost a week. I will write a full written review on Sammy Guru as well, but really excited about the Z Fold Special Edition. So second half of the show. A little teaser there.
Speaker 1:But let's jump into the Samsung news as per usual, and we'll start with the One UI 7 beta, because it seems like since this podcast started it doesn't seem like since this podcast started for real we've been talking about when in the freaking hell is the One UI 7 beta going to show up, and we're just like, yeah, it's probably going to be next week, it'll be two weeks from now, it'll be a month from now. Sorry, it's going to be three weeks from now. Ever since we started this, which has now been five months, we started this like in the middle of June or early June, yep, and we've been out saying, oh, the beta is going to come soon, cause normally the beta shows up at the end of the summer. So when we started the podcast, I really did think the beta would be here soon. People think that I'm just like blowing smoke up their butts, but that's usually when the beta comes, so I thought it would.
Speaker 1:And then we've heard about all these delays. Uh, at stc, when I went to san jose, they said, oh, just by the end of 2024. But then ice universe was like, oh well, now it's going to come in november because they made some progress. And now it seems like again we might have another delay, because ice universe tweeted over this weekend saying that they discovered some more major bugs in the latest release that they thought was going to be the beta candidate that they were going to push out to the beta. Remember the beta we thought was going to go live this coming week? Because remember we said the two target dates were November 15th that's already passed. Because we're recording this on the 17th or November 21st, which is this upcoming Thursday, because that's the day of SDC Korea, the Korean version of the Samsung Developer Conference. Could it still release on the 21st? I guess, but with bugs being on board, the latest master release that they have doesn't sound too good If you had to bet.
Speaker 1:Tori, do you think we're going to see the beta this week?
Speaker 2:No no. I mean, if they're seeing all these bugs, it's just not going to be this week. It may still be several weeks out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it could be December still. I mean, no one has said for sure that they decided to push it. But if I was a betting man I'm switching my bets now to saying it's not coming by the end of this week.
Speaker 2:I think it's going to be the second or third week of December, I feel it.
Speaker 1:I kind of feel like they have to put it out by the second week of December because you don't want to put it out around Christmas time.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because the whole point of the beta right is for people to test and give you feedback on bugs. A lot of people in a lot of countries where Christmas is celebrated heavily, they're not going to really be doing a bunch of bug feedback, even if they are enthusiasts probably during Christmas and New Year's.
Speaker 1:So then you miss two weeks of hyperactive feedback. Some people still will. I will. It's my job to do this and test and obviously I'll still give them feedback because when I make videos I automatically log bug reports as I make videos and catch bugs. But they're going to miss out on. The average. Enthusiast maybe won't do that necessarily. So I feel like they have to release it by the second week of December, even if there's a lot of bugs.
Speaker 1:A lot of people are kind of on the fence, as they're saying oh well, should we? Do we want them to release it with all the bugs or do we want them to wait and release it in a more stable form? But it's going to take longer? I don't really know. I mean, on one hand it's a beta, so you're expected to have some bugs. On the other hand, it's been a three-month delay over a three-month delay now from the usual timeline. So I kind of just want you to release it and you know, let's just see what happens. If there's some bugs, then we can try to squash them as we go, because they need to obviously have this on track for a release for the Galaxy S25.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They want this out. Yeah, exactly, to launch along with it. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:They want to get this to launch. The stable version is supposed to launch with the Galaxy S25. So if there's still bugs by December, then, man, are they going to launch a buggy stable version on the S25? I don't think they can do that. So I think they've got to get the beta sometime soon, I mean it just doesn't look good.
Speaker 1:I mean I wish I had a whole lot more to say. I mean I'm looking through like Sammy Guru and looking at all the One UI 7 stories we have and most of the stories we have are just like yeah, there's bugs and there's delays, there's really not a lot of new features coming. Someone found in the Samsung members app that there was some code saying that the opt-in page for the beta was about to go live. But I mean, basically it's all just stories saying, oh well, the beta is coming. No, the beta is not coming. They're making progress. No, they're not making progress. It's really not like a lot of new features coming. We've kind of heard of all the various features. There was one other story I know that one of our writers was working on last night. Let me see if I can find it, because we haven't published it yet. I still got to review it so I can kind of see what it is.
Speaker 1:Four features you can expect with the One UI beta. There's four new features you can expect, but these are mainly just tune-ups of other features. Remember, we talked about the Now bar, which is going to have live activities there. Information about the live activities is now below the Now bar which is going to have like live activities. There Information about the live activities is now like below the now bar. I guess in the new version that's not a really a new feature. I mean, mostly all the real like big new stuff is probably already leaked out. I'm sure there's some smaller stuff. Of course there's like tons of changes because this is one of the biggest changes you know in One UI history. But I would imagine all the really big stuff has already kind of come to fruition. So I don't know, tori, once we get the beta, I mean we'll have a lot of stuff to talk about.
Speaker 1:You have the S22 Ultra, so I don't know that you'll be able to run the beta because I think it'll only be the S24 and the S23 in the beginning. But you can check it out on my phone and kind of see what you think about the new design once we have the finalized design. Um, but yeah, if someone's looking for I know a lot of people keep asking me like I feel bad because I mean we, all of us who are like samsung news outlets and the leakers all we can go on is based on what is happening from the builds that we see on the servers and what people are saying, who actually know Samsung employees, the leakers who have contacts about how stable it is. And if Samsung changes their mind because they're not happy with it, well, people get mad at us. They're like you said it was going to come on the 15th. You thought it would come on the 15th it was out of your control.
Speaker 1:That's kind of where it was, and then it's changing. Obviously, with such a huge change year over year in the UI, there's going to necessarily be a lot more bugs than there would From 5.0 to 6.0, it was a very minor change. There wasn't change very much. So of course last year the beta was on time and everything was pretty smooth, but it didn't change anything really. So you can't have it both ways. People complain and say, oh well, you guys didn't change enough stuff in the software, you didn't fix anything. But then they actually try to do that. They're like well, where the heck is the beta? It's taking too long yeah, it takes time.
Speaker 1:I mean, of course, if you want them to change a whole bunch of stuff, like, yeah, it's going to take a lot longer than if they change nothing. Right, if they change nothing, of course, it's not going to take very long to roll out the beta. So that's where I am with that. I wanted to issue kind of a statement on the news on that, because people keep saying, like, well, why don't you guys talk about a lot more One UI 7 news? Well, we don't know. We're just waiting now for the beta to release. Trust me, once the beta comes out, we'll probably have like two full episodes of the podcast.
Speaker 1:We'll just be dissecting everything in the beta, because I know that's what you guys like. A lot of my channel on YouTube is about software updates and stuff, so I know a lot of people listen for that. But when there's nothing to talk about, what the heck are we supposed to do? So transitioning A couple of other interesting stories, speaking of the Galaxy S25 and the Galaxy S25 running One UI 7 or One UI 7.1. By the way, someone said One UI 7.1 on the S25. Running One UI 7 or One UI 7.1. By the way, someone said One UI 7.1 on the S25. I have no idea how the heck it's going to run 7.1 if they can't even finish 7.0 on time. So I don't know about that. I heard a bunch of leakers saying that too, like, oh, the S25 is going to run 7.1 instead of 7.0.
Speaker 1:Well then maybe they should just skip 7.0 entirely then, because they can't even seem to push it up. Maybe they should just change the numbering for the actual stable release.
Speaker 1:But anyway a very reliable leaker leaked out the official date for the Galaxy S25 launch, and the launch event is going to be on January 22, 2024. And according to the leaker, the event will take place in San Francisco, california. So it looks like for this event I'll be headed back to the Bay Area. Just came from there for SDC. It looks like Samsung is going to go back there for their next event, for the S25 Unpacked event, probably at the Moscone Center, I would imagine that's where they usually have the big events, not at the San Jose Convention Center, because that's usually for like something smaller, like SDC. Moscone Center is a lot bigger for like a big keynote type event, and so it looks like this does make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1:The Galaxy S24 Ultra was unveiled last year on January 17th. This is like five days later, which makes a lot of sense, right? I mean, you know you kind of expect this. And the Galaxy Z Fold 6 was on July 10th this year, and both of those are on a Wednesday, and January 22nd is also a Wednesday, so that lines up with what Samsung seems to do. Max Jambore, he's a pretty reliable leaker as well, so we really have no reason to dispute this at all, have no reason to dispute this at all, and it seems to make a lot of sense that this is going to be the official launch date. So, as I said, if they do indeed run 7.1 out of the box, samsung needs to hurry the heck up with the 7.0 beta right Because like what I mean.
Speaker 1:Samit wrote this again in the article because this is what we've heard. The new flagships will run 7.1 out of the box. But what new features is 7.1 going to have if you don't even have 7.0 out the door and it's not stable?
Speaker 2:How are you going to add new features?
Speaker 1:to the next version. It just doesn't make any sense, right? It doesn't make any sense. So I think they've got to get 7.0 out the door. This is pretty exciting. I mean it looks like if the event's in San Francisco, I will be going.
Speaker 1:We had some debate internally at Sammy Guru about kind of how we were going to cover the event, because I always have to do a mystery box stuff as well. So I don't know. Nicole might get some training on how to help me with that a little bit.
Speaker 1:My wife and, if it was in Korea, we didn't know if the event was going to be in Korea or the U S. If it was in Korea, I was probably going to send some meat, because Korea is a lot closer to India than it is to the U S and he could have gypped up, you know, you know, jumped over there and just covered it for us. It would be a lot faster and probably cheaper for me to send him trained on how to handle all the stuff we do on the launch morning, because I can't live, tweet and take photos at the launch event and do hands-on and also handle all the mystery box stuff. I won't be able to do both at the same time. So I'll figure that out, but this is encouraging news. What do you think, tor? Are you excited now that we know the official date?
Speaker 2:I am. I think it's going to be a really good launch. I am a little worried about the 7.1 versus 7.0. Like I mean, we're kind of getting very close to a lot of these dates and, you know, if Samsung doesn't get that out before at least the second week of december, I mean this kind of looks like it's like kind of a waste of time and energy to try to get that out.
Speaker 1:yeah, it's like why don't we just call one ui 7.1 the next release, because 7.0 we just couldn't get it stable and then I mean, and then it's gonna be right around the corner, but I mean they definitely will make a lot of samsung enthusiasts mad if they're just like oh well, the beta is not going to actually launch in 2024.
Speaker 1:We were wrong. We're going to just push it out in the beginning of January, but it's going to be for 7.1. Now you can get the 7.1 beta on your S24, and then the stable version will launch later this month on the S25. Hey, that's what I might do. I hey, that's what I might do. I mean, they do need beta testers, but if they're not happy with where it is, I don't really know what else we could do. We do expect now that we also heard some more information. That's about the Galaxy S25 Slim. We're now hearing that the S25 Slim could potentially also make a surprise appearance at the Unpacked launch. So last week we were talking about how we didn't know if it was a good idea to delay it. Maybe they listened to the podcast.
Speaker 2:I think they listened to the podcast. The people at Samsung Marketing.
Speaker 1:They could have been listening to the show, and they're like Jeff and Tori made some good points. If you don't relaunch it in January, then people may not wait to purchase it and you might not sell many units. And then we heard a rumor in the middle of this week that some meat wrote up that the S25 Slim could launch now, along its other siblings, in January. That would be very interesting. That would make it interesting to see, I think. What's going to happen then, though, is that nobody's going to buy the Galaxy S25.
Speaker 2:Plus, that's my prediction?
Speaker 1:You think so. If the Slim launches, along with all the other models in January, on the 22nd of January, I don't think anybody will buy the Plus anymore. Because why I mean the Plus? The only thing was it's got a slightly downgraded camera. It's slightly smaller than the Ultra, but not by a lot, and it doesn't have the S Pen. So if you want a phone that's almost the same size as the Ultra but doesn't have an S Pen, but you actually want the same camera experience, that's what the s25 slim is supposed to be. Why would I pay slightly less to get a worse camera? Because it's only going to be like a hundred dollars, something difference between the plus and the slim?
Speaker 2:I don't know like what do you think would be like a good msrp for, yeah, good pricing, let's actually have an interesting question.
Speaker 1:Let's think about that. So last year I guess right, the s24 slot 799, the plus was 999 and the ultra is at 1299. That's the starting prices. So I'm thinking maybe if I were samsung I'm gonna go 799 on the base model. I mean, they're not going to lower the prices.
Speaker 2:So I'm not gonna go to a fantasy land. I was gonna say 899 for the plus, but that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1:let's not going to lower the prices, so I'm not going to go to a fantasy land.
Speaker 1:I was going to say $8.99 for the plus, but that's not going to happen, let's not go to like what I wish would happen or what people wish would happen, because that's never going to happen. Let's go $7.99, $9.99. And then I don't want to go too close to either of these two for the slim. So what I'm going to do I don't know that Samsung would do this, because I don't think they've ever done it before, but if it were me, I would go $1,149.99 for the Slim and then I'm going to stay at $1,299 base price for the S25 Ultra. That's what I'm going to do, because my prediction too this hasn't leaked out yet, but I have a prediction about the S25 Slim.
Speaker 1:I think that, in addition to not getting the S Pen, I think Samsung still wants to differentiate some features on the Ultra. I don't know that it's going to get one the anti-reflective coating that the S25 Ultra has, which is a pretty awesome feature. It's one of my favorites on the S24 Ultra. It's actually one of the things I missed when using, even though I love the Z Fold Special Edition, I do love it. The front screen is a lot more reflective than the S24 Ultra because it doesn't have the anti-reflective coating. That's one thing I do notice, and I also don't know that it's going to get the brand new ultra-wide angle sensor that the S25 Ultra is getting.
Speaker 1:We've heard it's going to get the same primary camera. No one ever said it was going to get all the same cameras, so they might not give it the same ultra wide. If you're going to charge more money for something, you obviously have to give people some reasons why they would go up. If they don't want those things, that's fine. But if you do, you've got to tell people why you're charging them more. There has to be some reason, it can't just be one thing.
Speaker 2:There's got to be a few.
Speaker 1:That's what I think I'm thinking $799, $999, $1149.99, and Again $799, $999, $1149.99, and $1299.
Speaker 2:What do you think, tori? Yeah, no, I, you know, just thinking of like average consumer. You know I feel like one. Obviously the enthusiasts are going to go for the ultra. I think you're going to probably get more of like, I want to say, people who are in their 20s and 30s. They'll probably want to go for that slim, because right now, slim is like the fad right now, thin is in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what the people say yeah, yeah, yeah, thin is in. That's what I wrote in one of the articles I wrote about it. I said if thin is in, then the S25 Slim is where it's at.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do think they're going to get that group of people. So I think that is a fair enough price because, like you said, they're not going to go down and they're not going to want to cannibalize sales of the other three phones. So I think that group of people are going to bend towards that phone and also they'll probably go for the Plus as well. And then you're going to have your regular Joe Schmoes who just want the latest phone to get the base model you know for that price. And again, we also have to think about at least me having AT&T. A lot of people like the financing options.
Speaker 1:Oh, people love the financing options.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, and like people just flock towards AT&T every single time. I mean they have like good deals, you know, for trading in. At&t does have good deals.
Speaker 1:The thing is, you know a lot of people and I see this a lot, actually in the blogging community. It's interesting they bring it up Every time someone releases a new phone, whether it be Samsung or Apple. I always see like an article about how you absolutely shouldn't, you know, buy your phone on a plan from AT&T, because there's all this, like you know, hidden language and there is some for their trade-ins. But if you understand it, it is actually a good deal. They're just trying to get clicks and they're just trying to optimize. They just want to get in the Google Now feed, just like we do at Sammy Guru, so they can make money. They're a website and I get it. I own a website that covers tech. I understand the strategy behind that, but here's the truth though. I mean, if you understand what's going on, it's not actually that bad of a deal.
Speaker 1:Usually, when AT&T launches a promo for the new Galaxy phones, they typically have a deal where you can trade in almost any phone and save $800 to $1,000 off the new Galaxy. I literally one one year because I wanted to buy one of the base models and I have an at&t line and I didn't really want to buy it outright because I didn't really need the unlock model because I wasn't going to use it for a lot. I just wanted to use it for a video and I traded in like a phone I bought on ebay for like 30 and at&t gave me 900. I only paid 99 for galaxy s22 I think it was the s22 launch that's not a bad deal.
Speaker 1:Now, of course, the fine print is you have to stay locked into that contract with at&t yeah, for two to three years, and if you don't, then you can owe them some of that money back. But if you're planning to stay with at&t anyway and that's not a problem for you, like it's not a big deal you're going to stay with at&. You're not planning on moving to somewhere where AT&T might not work. There's those things to consider. But, like, if you're in a situation where you're like I live where I live, at&t service works great, why is it a bad deal?
Speaker 1:I find those articles are sensationalized. I would never write those articles, I mean even to promote, like, if I wanted to promote Mint Mobile over AT&T or something, I still wouldn't write that because it's not true. I mean, it's not a terrible deal. It could be a very good deal and AT&T usually offers one of the best deals, because all the other carriers, while they do trade-ins, they don't let you trade in anything. I mean, basically, at&t, as long as it's a smartphone made since like 2012 and it powers on, they'll give you, like, the maximum trade-in for it. You don't need, like, a brand new iPhone Galaxy S24 Ultra and I do want to do a shameless plug so we can make some money, because I'm not trying to do dishonest things. But I will tell you or remind you again if you do want to buy Galaxy S25 through AT&T, you don't have to go to AT&T's website to get their trade-in deal you can go to samsungcom using our link.
Speaker 1:Get our savings, because we're going to have a discount code that will allow you to save extra money on Samsung this year. A promo code they're making a special one for us, for Sammy Guru, and you'll be able to claim our mystery box and you'll be able to get AT&T's trade-in deal. You just click on Carrier AT&T, add whatever you want to the cart. It'll take you through AT&T's trade-in process. You'll be able to send the phone to AT&T once you get it from Samsung and they'll give you the trade-in. I actually did it through Samsung when I bought mine as well, so then you also get some free accessories. You save more money. No-transcript.
Speaker 1:If I'm not dishonestly writing articles like these other sites, I have to try to make some money out of the mystery boxes, which is how we do it. But yeah, that's a great point. I mean I think it'll be interesting. I don't think Samsung honestly will do $50 increments. So I don't think $11.59, $11.49 is probably not going to happen. It probably is going to be. Unfortunately, if they have to pick between $10.99 and $11.99, they're just going to go to $11.99 because they know a lot of people do use the financing option. And the thing about using the financing options is, if you do use the financing option, it's not as obvious when it costs an extra $100.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you're just paying. It's woven into the bill. Yeah, over 36 months.
Speaker 1:$100 up front is only an extra like $2.50 a month. That's nothing. People are like, oh, $2.50 extra per payment. I mean, of course I'll just get it, no problem, no big deal. So, yeah, you know, if they had to, of course they're going to go $1,199. So that would be my guess. If I had to bet my own money, I'd go $799, $999, $1,199, and $1,299.
Speaker 1:No-transcript because, remember the snapdragon 8 elite we heard there's going to be some shortages of that, potentially because of their issues with arm that we talked about before. If that happens, they could bump the s25 ultra up to 13.99. That would suck. I hope I hope for the sake of everybody who wants to buy one that that doesn't happen, but it could. Let's see what other great stories we have.
Speaker 1:I have a few other couple here. We talked last week about the trifold that's coming, and potentially soon. We got another leak internally from Samsung this week that we wrote up saying that the trifold is on pace now for a 2025 release, so you may not need to wait long for it. Huawei released their trifold is on pace now for a 2025 release, so you may not need to wait long for it while we release their trifold this year and samsung said well, hey, we can't let anybody get too far ahead, uh, especially those chinese companies, because they're already beating us on regular foldables in a lot of markets. Uh, we got to push it out next year. So potentially, when it comes time for july yeah, next year, july foldable galaxy z launch we be talking I could be holding the first Samsung trifold.
Speaker 2:The new luxury, yeah, and who knows how much that will cost.
Speaker 1:I mean the Huawei Mate XT, which is their trifold. If you want to import into the US, it's even more expensive than the Z Fold Special Edition Five grand to import to the US. That's because it's from China and they're charging mad import tax. Fl. So that's because it's from China and they're charging mad import tax. Flossy Carter, he bought one, imported it and did an unboxing on his channel. The software is absolute garbage, so definitely don't buy it.
Speaker 1:It doesn't really run Google Apps out of the box because Huawei is restricted from really working with Google directly by the US government. The US government made it so that, basically, Huawei not only can't sell phones here or have anything to do with hardware here, they also can't even use software from US partners. That's how hard the US government sanctioned Huawei back in I think it was 2017, 2018. So yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean I would never import that phone. People ask me would you import it? No, because I could never make my five grand back. I'd basically be lighting $5,000 on fire If I was going to import that. I'll just take my money down to the casino and I'll put my money on black and roulette all $5,000.
Speaker 1:At least then I have a chance to double my money. If it comes up black, I'm going to go home with $10,000. Because if I buy the Huawei Mate XT, I'm just giving away $5,000. If I buy the Huawei Mate XT, I'm just giving away five grand. And reselling it is not going to be easy either. The Z Fold Special Edition, I can almost guarantee you, because this next Fold doesn't come out for a while. If I wanted to, now I don't. I plan on keeping this phone because I like it and of course I am the Sammy guru. Why would I want to get rid of it? And I? There's so few of them in the US. I don't have to keep it and lose money because people want Samsung products and they're not hard to resell, something like that. Galaxy users can now double tap to send heart reactions in Google Messages Uh-oh.
Speaker 1:So now you can double tap this to heart gesture inside Google Messages. This is something, of course, iphones have with iMessage for a long time. You cannot customize the default reaction though, so that's something you can do there. Now this is important for Galaxy users. You might ask why are we covering this on a Samsung podcast? Well, because Google Messages is now the default on all Samsung phones in the US and a lot of people. I made a video talking about how Google is bringing some other features they're bringing like high-quality image sending as well to Google Messages and how that could end up spelling the end for Samsung Messages as an app everywhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's going down.
Speaker 1:And all these people are like, oh well, I still have Samsung messages in Europe and everywhere and blah, blah, blah. Yeah, for now I mean, I don't want to be mean, but they usually start their rollout of anything big in Korea and the US first, and then it trickles down everywhere else. So if you like it, don't get too excited about it. It doesn't mean they're going to be able to use it forever or they're going to maintain it. It's on here too, this Korean phone, I will say. But it's on here too, this Korean phone, I will say, this one comes preloaded with Samsung messages, so not Google messages. So maybe you will kind of have the option a little bit longer to use Samsung messages in other countries, but they probably are going to go in the direction of Google messages eventually, particularly in the US. For sure it's coming Because RCS is not fully supported in Samsung messages and they don't want to build the support here in the US for all the different carriers, Because carrier compatibility takes a lot of work, it takes a lot of money to invest and they just don't want to spend.
Speaker 1:They're like Google already has a messaging app. We're already partners with Google. Why do we want to spend millions and millions of dollars to get the RCS certified to work with Samsung Messages with Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T. You've got to get certified with each carrier. Just let Google handle it. They already did it. So in the US, for sure it's going this way, but everywhere else it might as well, because they might not want to keep maintaining Samsung messages for certain regions only. I can see that happening. But this is pretty cool. It would be nice if they would make it more customizable so you could change the default reaction. Do you use the double tap? Do you like the double?
Speaker 2:tap gesture. Yeah, you know, because actually when I was looking at that screenshot there, I was like oh, that looks just like my phone. I really like it and I enjoy it. And I actually do like whenever I get like a heart or like some other reaction and it does like some animation on a screen. It just kind of like emulates the feeling that you get like on facebook and I feel like that's what a lot of people, um, are kind of accustomed accustomed to now like in terms of messaging, because you got it on instagram, got on tiktok and stuff like that, just like the harding and different stuff. So I this is a really good step in the right direction now that we are starting to get that rcs support.
Speaker 1:It's important for the kids.
Speaker 1:Tori is not a kid anymore, but I mean, it is important for the younger people. I think they really care a lot about this, so it's probably a good thing that Samsung is doing it. Another thing that Google is bringing to the Android side that's going to trickle down to Galaxy users. This is a really important one as well. This could stop people from getting catfished or scammed as easily. It's called Android System Key Verifier, and what it does is when you're talking to someone in your contacts. When you add someone to your contacts, each of you will scan a QR code, so you'll scan one for the other person when you put them in your contacts, and what will happen is it will basically log a key, an encryption key, on your phone that tells you as you do your conversation, because, of course, when you have a conversation with someone over Google Messages, this is only going to work with Google Messages as well. So if you're a Samsung message user, don't listen for a few seconds and then come back, if you like Samsung messages, but don't go away.
Speaker 1:Definitely make sure you come back in like two minutes when we're done talking about this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Go get a soda, yeah, so basically you'll scan it and it stores the information about who that device is and all that like their phone number, all that information. So basically what will happen is if you scan this with the new system key verifier, later, if that person changes their phone or something about their location and their phone pattern changes over time, it'll alert you to the fact that they could not maybe not be the person that you originally logged that conversation with in your contacts and it'll alert you and say, hey, their device has changed or something about. Something strange has changed about this other person that you've been talking to. You want to verify it's the same person. So this could be very important, you know, for people trying to like catfish. You either like for a relationship to get money or, you know, just people trying to like impersonate someone else to try to scam. You Like people try to do that where it's like you know, hi, it's me Kathy, like you know, and you're like I don't know Kathy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. You know what I mean, so I don't know. Kathy, sarah, john, sue, I mean the easiest solution to this to me, which obviously I do this anyway.
Speaker 1:but I mean, some people are, I guess, are not this standoffish. I don't talk to anybody who's not in my contacts anyway, so this will fix that I'm the same. This will fix that right there, because I mean, obviously someone else could get that person's phone, I guess, and try to catfish you and this will stop that. Yeah, person's phone.
Speaker 1:I guess and try to catfish you and this will stop that. But I mean from the standpoint of like someone new doing it, just not talking to anybody that you don't have saved will automatically fix that for the most part, but this is an extra layer of security.
Speaker 1:I think it'd be mainly very useful for, like, older people who are the targets of these kind of scams, like your parents, your grandparents. Maybe not you this might not be a feature that necessarily matters for you a ton, but I think the fact that Google is trying to improve things a lot, I think that's always important to try to do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I like it.
Speaker 1:What else we got here? Oh, the Samsung photo editor got an update. I just posted a video on this today. This is a pretty nice update. The photo editor inside the gallery on Samsung phones now has an update that brings two new features. You can now save your sketched image results individually. So before, samsung had, unfortunately, a very bad UI.
Speaker 1:Whenever you use Galaxy Eye to do a sketched image on one of your photos, it would give you a bunch of choices. But then if you selected one of those choices and you wanted to save it as a copy so like, let's say, I take a picture of a landscape and I draw a bird, and it generates like four pictures with different birds it would let you pick one of those to save. But once you pick that one, the other options would go away, so you couldn't save more than one, and so now with the new photo editor, you have a little download button that's on each of the options, so if I like all four of them, I can go ahead and grab all four and save them to my gallery. So it's a nice feature. This is something that I think a lot of people were annoyed by when sketched image first came out.
Speaker 1:If you use it. It's annoying. You can choose more than one. And then they also added a new lab section to the photo editor where now you can create your custom stickers manually and I use this a lot because Jonathan loves it. What you can do is you can take a photo Like I can take a photo of a dinosaur from the internet and you can use your S Pen or your finger to draw around the dinosaur and cut it out, and then you can save that as a custom sticker.
Speaker 1:Oh, that would be cool and you can use it later as a custom emoji or sticker. You can put it on your photos.
Speaker 2:You can use it in emojis when you're talking.
Speaker 1:So, like you know, jonathan likes me to take a picture of a dinosaur and a picture of him, and I can cut it out so it looks like the dinosaur is next to him, roaring at him, whatever. So it's kind of a fun feature. And now you can actually select the area manually, because previously you had to just draw around the thing and it would automatically snap to the area using ai. But sometimes you don't necessarily like what the ai chose. It chooses, so you can now manually do it. Of course, you're going to get more trial and error if you do it manually, because you're going to miss probably miss some of the key areas, but you can still use uh ai to clean it up as well. So this is. I don't know, tori, if you ever used stickers on your Galaxy phone at all.
Speaker 2:Like once or twice but like, not like consistently. But I mean I know for like the younger kids or teens they like that stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's a really cool feature. I think it's something that the younger kids will actually enjoy. It's something I like just because, obviously, since I have kids, it's something that I like. For that reason, my kids enjoy it. What was the other? There's one other couple more featured things I want to talk about. Oh, I know, here it is this story right here. This, unfortunately I mean this is not a political podcast, but you know, we had the election here in the US.
Speaker 1:Samsung's electronic shares had their worst performance in two decades in the last quarter here and it's kind of dropped to an all-time low 4.5% in the last trading session, a little over 11% in the last five days. This was something we wrote on the 14th of November and it's partially because of their chip business, and there was some rumblings that the new administration coming in in January here in the US are going to halt advanced chip shipments to China, which would, of course, impact Samsung in some way, because this would kind of hurt their collaboration with TSMC and some of the other chip manufacturers who help them manufacture some of their own chips. Obviously, it wouldn't really impact their situation with Qualcomm, but it wouldn't impact the S25. But this is potentially what's driving down their shares.
Speaker 1:I usually don't talk a whole lot about the financial side of Samsung because this is not really the focus on this podcast, but it is important because, of course, if the company has really bad financial performance, a whole lot about the financial side of Samsung, because this is not really the focus on this podcast. But it is important because, of course, if the company has really bad financial performance, there might not be a Samsung one day If it keeps happening forever. We want them to continue being successful. They're down 36% year-to-date. So if you invest $100 in Samsung on January 1st, you would have $64 of that $100 left.
Speaker 1:It's not great, but I imagine this is going to rebound. This is a lot to do with their chip business. Of course, we'll have to see what the current administration does. We don't actually know until they get in there. This is all based on rumor. Hopefully this doesn't end up being impacted in the way. Obviously, the market's just predicting based on what they expect to happen at this point, but we'll see. So obviously, we want Samsung to kick it up a notch, go in the positive direction, not the negative direction.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to mention this because this is another story that we shared. People were asking about why their shares were down, and that's actually why it's because of the chip business Not really anything to do with the mobile phone business at all. And then one last story before we go to the break here and come back for hardware You'll soon be able to unlock select Audis with your Galaxy phone. So this is a good story for me. We wrote this up mainly because I saw it and I was excited. I was like, oh yeah, I'll be able to do it on my SQ8. But it turns out one, the SQ8 is not on the initial model list. And two, it's only rolling out to Europe first. It'll be coming to the US later next year. It's always the story with these kind of things.
Speaker 1:I've been waiting for the ability to unlock my Audi with my Galaxy phone using ultra-wideband for the last two years, because they said eventually. They said like in 2022, this would eventually happen, and now it's going to take three years in the end for it to roll out. It's not even rolling out to the US. So if you own a Q6, e-tron, a6 e-tron or Audi A5, then it will be rolling out to those first, and it will be in Europe, which is going to be Germany. Let me see here what are the other countries. Yeah, germany and a couple of other countries in, like Scandinavia, and then it will be coming to the US and other regions starting in 2025. So hopefully it comes to the SQ8 eventually, because I really would love to be able to unlock my car with my phone.
Speaker 2:That'd be really awesome. Do you just hold it up?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it uses ultra wideband, basically the computer in the car. You just hold it up to the door as soon as actually, really, if you get close enough, get close enough with your standing there, it'll just unlock, yeah.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's at the auto. Unlock the Rivian does that the Rivian also.
Speaker 1:Tesla does that too, like our Rivian that we have, but that's all done through the Rivian app. It's not done with a phone-specific deal, but also the downside of that is, at least in my opinion, the Rivian doesn't run Android Auto over the Rivian software because it uses Google Maps and all that stuff. Some people say, oh well, tesla and Rivian have their own software and it's way better. Not necessarily. Some of the things about the Tesla software and Rivian software is okay and I like the Rivian, we like our Rivian, but their maps are terrible. They use Amazon map data and they use Alexa for their voice assistant. It's not as good as Google. Sometimes it takes you routes that are like what is you know? Why are we going this way? It's like you could even like sometimes I put it on just to see what it will say. Like if I'm going somewhere, I know how to get there. I'd be like why is it taking me? Like way out of the way.
Speaker 1:Like I could just go much more direct. So if you know, if you don't, I turned Google Maps on my phone. There you go, instead of unfortunately using Alexa on the in-car, which sucks because the Rivian has like a 20-inch touchscreen. I know, I think it's crazy, it's huge, it's huge, and so, of course, I'd literally use the maps there, but it might take me 20 extra minutes to get to my destination.
Speaker 2:No, it will.
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Speaker 1:All right, everybody, we're back and in the second half of the show we're going to talk a little bit about Z Fold Special Edition, and it is a very special edition indeed. Just to kind of talk about this a little bit, tori, I'll tell you a little bit about it and then you can kind of ask any questions. And you already got to see it, but I'll hand it to you. So the cover screen is wider on the front than the Z Fold 6, which, for me, is actually the biggest, most important change. I think I've always went back to my S Ultra phones because this cover screen is just not wide enough. I think I told you that when I used the Z Fold 6 in July. I can't use it as my main phone because when I'm typing on the go, I can't write emails, I can't interact with my subscribers, the readers on Sammy Guru. If I'm writing a tweet or whatever a post, people keep telling me I need to start calling it X. No, I'm not.
Speaker 1:I don't care, I'm going to call it Twitter until it's been X for at least five years. So we got at least like another three and a half years before I'll start calling it X. Anyway, you know, I can easily write out my tweets. I can answer emails, messages a lot more comfortably with my one hand, you know, and for that reason I think this is a huge leap forward. Just, you know off that. But that's not the only change. It's also a heck of a lot thinner. We actually compared this to Tori's S22 Ultra. He has it in a case. If you put it up the side profile next to your S22 Ultra, if you don't have a case on the fold, it's almost as thin as the S22 ultra with a case on top of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1:And so you know, I just don't use foldable cases either, because you know they we talked about this before but they have that sticky adhesive you have to stick on the front and I don't like it, cause then when I want to switch, I always like to switch cases, or I don't. You know, sometimes at home I don't like to use a case. I got to peel the adhesive off. It comes off the case, it's stuck to display. It's just not, you know, particularly great experience. Of course, I'm always paranoid. I'm going to drop this and break it, especially since this is a $3,000 phone I imported from another country.
Speaker 2:That it is.
Speaker 1:And that's not necessarily ideal. If I, if you are a case person. However, if you guys didn't see my unboxing, you should check it out. The phone does come with a case. We have the box right here on the podcast table. It is a massive box compared to the Z Fold 6. The Z Fold 6 comes in like a tiny, skinny, thin box and on the front of this one it's got a really nice packaging.
Speaker 1:Let me clear this up too and say to all these people in my YouTube comments they'll probably never listen to this, but I don't care. I don't care what the particular pronunciation of embossed is Someone's like. It's not embossed or embosed. It's embose, not embossed. I don't care, it's not an English class. If I wanted to teach English I would have got a PhD in English. Now we've done that for a living. So this has, on the front, a textured version of the phone actually printed on it, and I think I mispronounced the word in the video, and so all these people are commenting on there. You can feel it. Feel the texture, because it's got the line texture that's on the box itself. Beautiful presentation on the box. It comes with a leather case On the inside. I have it over there actually, but the phone kind of pops out when you pop this up.
Speaker 2:It kind of lifts it out.
Speaker 1:You've got a charger in the box which we don't get with the regular phones that Samsung makes. That obviously would be appreciated, Greatly appreciated In the future. Everybody would like a charger. And then it comes with that case. That case is usually like $70 to $80 if you have to buy it when you buy the regular folds or flips or whatever, because it's a leather one. I've got it over there. It's nice. If I used fold cases I would probably slap it on here. I slapped it on for a minute, but it also kind of takes away from the special edition experience because this one is so thin. But if I put a case on it now, it's just basically as thick as the C46, though it doesn't really give me any of the benefits of the thinness.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I mean the thinness and the lightness. I would say it's only three grams lighter than the Fold 6. So the lightness you don't really notice too much. I held those two of both in my hand. It's about the same. But the thinness is definitely. If you put them side by side as well, you'll notice this is a lot thinner. And if you open it when it's unfolded, it's super thin when unfolded, like the profile here. When it's unfolded, very, very thin. But a lot of people ask me, you know, does it feel flimsy? No, this thing feels premium. Tori, get and hold it again.
Speaker 2:Just tell us what you think what phone, the length of the phone, like it fits very comfortably, like in the palm of your hand. You can definitely reach uh across and not feel like you're having a stretch. Uh, it feels good even, uh, if you were going to be typing with both hands. Um, when you open it up, uh, it like the crease is not as noticeable yeah, I was gonna mention that too.
Speaker 1:It doesn't look bad, right, it looks a lot better than the fold six.
Speaker 2:A lot better because you saw the full six, two and a half yeah I did, yeah, no, it just feels good overall and honestly, and uh, the back has a nice uh finish, uh, and it just everything about it. Uh, I, I mean, I really enjoy um, looking at what I'm, what I'm holding right here, uh, and it is significantly, at least in my opinion, slimmer um than the uh the six.
Speaker 1:So yeah it's. It's a lot nicer. It's got a texture on the back. Let's see if we can get a little sound here. It sounds like that. It's got a line texture on the back, a little ASMR. We're doing a little.
Speaker 2:ASMR here.
Speaker 1:But it feels nice. People are like well, if it's lighter, it must feel cheaper. It doesn't.
Speaker 2:It doesn't feel cheaper, no, it feels solid.
Speaker 1:I don't know what material is like the casing. Uh, do you know what the I think this one's still using like steel and aluminum?
Speaker 2:not using I don't think it's using titanium. Oh yeah, yeah, it feels good like good presentation. That is I. I liked it. Uh, honestly, if we were to get that over here in the us, I think people would probably who probably haven't already jumped the gun to get a foldable I can see some people trying to go for it.
Speaker 1:Now, the one material that is different because you asked about the materials is we no longer have the UTG, the ultra-thin glass on the inside display, which we had on the fold. We now have the UFG, which is basically the ultra-flexible glass. It's a different kind of material, which is basically the ultra-flexible glass. It's a different kind of material which also does give you. There's some debate about whether or not this will be a little more durable. So far, I mean, people are asking me like is it more durable? Can you notice scratches or anything? I'm not going to drop it or purposely scratch this phone.
Speaker 2:So $3,000.
Speaker 1:I'll leave that to somebody else who just destroys tech, like TechRacks or one of the other YouTubers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, one of those guys who just destroyed it. They'll probably buy one and do it, but that's not my lane. I like to cover content on how the phone works and performance and stuff. We want to use this to continue making videos and keep making content in the long run for the life of the phone. So I'm not going to scratch it up and beat it up Of course not, but I mean just using it day to day. I've noticed no scratches but to be honest, I never had a problem with the ultra-thin glass.
Speaker 1:I will say a couple things. It does feel a little bit less solid with the haptic feedback you know the vibration feedback you get like when you press the keys. It doesn't feel quite as strong as on the Z Fold 6. That's probably because of the thinness and also maybe because of the switch from the UTG to the UFG on the inside of the main display Not a huge deal, though it's not like it's a massive difference, it just seems like a little bit.
Speaker 1:I tried them side by side, like trying one and the other, because I have the Z Fold 6, and I noticed that the other thing is because of the thinness. At least I'm assuming this is probably why the audio, if you play it over the speaker, is not quite as full sounding, with as much bass, as when you do the Z Fold 6. I did those side by side in the video comparison. I did, and if you listen to the video you can definitely hear Z Fold 6 sounds a little fuller, a little more bass, heavy, probably because of the thinness of this particular profile when it's unfolded. I mean, the speakers on the Z Fold 6 also weren't the best sounding in the smartphone world, so Samsung needs to improve that. Anyway, they definitely need to improve the speaker array on the Fold, but these ones are a little bit of a step below in my opinion.
Speaker 1:And then the other thing that's a little bit concerning, while I'm talking about concerns, is if you look at a video on YouTube and you watch it because the inner display no longer has the under display camera, you're going to notice something pretty unfortunate and I'm going to show it to you, tori, and you can tell me what you think about it. If you watch a video on YouTube, you're going to see that guy right there in the middle of your video. The camera is going to be right in the middle of your video. There's going to be a little camera hole right there and sometimes it can get in the middle of your content. Depending on what's on the screen, you could have a situation where that hole is a little annoying.
Speaker 1:Now we're watching an MKBH DS24 Ultra review from January right now and his content is mostly centered in the middle of the frame, so it doesn't really get involved with a lot of the main stuff here. But depending on what you're watching, it can cause a little problem. So, uh, I don't know and that really depends on you. Know, if it bothers you, I will say, after having it for a little while and watching content on it for a few days, it doesn't bother me that much. But it's still not as nice as the Z Fold 6 because it has the under display camera. So basically when you watch a video it basically fades away because it's under the display, so the camera's not activated. That's why they put the technology there.
Speaker 1:But because they wanted to get rid of the ultra thin glass to make it thinner, use the UFG they couldn't figure out how to do the thinness and also keep the under-display camera at the same time, because they didn't play nicely enough together to get good picture quality. So they didn't have a choice for now. So that is definitely a possible concern. Other shortcomings although this really depends on the person again as well, s Pen doesn't work. We talked about that before. This one doesn't have S Pen support at all. You can't use it on the main display or the cover display, and I tested all the Samsung S Pens. People want to know can you use the one from the S Pen for Ultra? No. Can you use the one that's made for the Fold? No. Can you use the S Pen Pro no. Can you use the S Pen Creator Edition Also no, I have all four of them.
Speaker 1:I tested every single S Pen on both and I probably could have ended up damaging my display from doing that because they tell you not to do it, but I did it anyway. I did that for science. Even though I'm not going to purposely scratch my display with like a nail or something, I wanted to try that just to let you guys know definitively no S Pen support. So those are some pretty. Depending on who you are, those could be sizable drawbacks. The lack of the under display camera, which can sometimes influence, you know, you know, interrupt your content a little bit. The haptics and the speaker being a little less full, a little bit lit, you know, the vibrations a little bit less heavy and the bass a little bit less heavy in the audio. And then the s-pin now working of course, is also a thing, but I mean, keep in mind, you get a wider cover display, which also means the inner display is also a lot bigger than the Z Fold 6. And if you look at my comparison video between them, it is noticeably bigger when you're doing multitasking, you know, because of course you can open three different apps at one time. On the Galaxy phones, right, you can open as many as three in multi-window and if you open up three apps in multi-window on here, you definitely get a lot more real estate on those top app. Like if you want to watch a video at the top or you want to answer emails, you get a lot more real estate at the top on the Z Fold Special Edition versus the Z Fold 6.
Speaker 1:Now, if you don't use dark mode, I use dark mode. The camera might also bother you because if you use light mode, the camera can be a little distracting. In fact, I'll turn it on. You can see it really quickly. If you turn off dark mode. Let's go into display and turn it off. You're going to notice the camera a little bit more, so let me turn this off. Where is dark mode? Sometimes doing things behind the camera is a little bit, uh, harder than you might think.
Speaker 2:Now, what happened to dark.
Speaker 1:Oh, there it is. I'm paying attention, so look if you have light mode on you see how the camera there is. Definitely there, is definitely there.
Speaker 1:And like if you're doing multitasking, like I had before, like if you have light mode on, you see how the camera there is definitely there, and like if you're doing multitasking, like I had before, like if you have all these open and it's in light mode, well, now you can see the camera holds right in the middle of my Gmail search bar, but I mean, let's be honest, you shouldn't be using dark mode. You should be using dark mode. You shouldn't be using light mode in 2024. Everybody should be using dark mode. You shouldn't be using light mode in 2024. Everybody should be using dark mode.
Speaker 2:So if you're not using dark, mode.
Speaker 1:Now is the right time to jump on board if you get a Z Fold Special Edition, because it doesn't look bad at all with dark mode.
Speaker 1:And it usually doesn't get too involved with the content, so that's not something that really bothered me. Exceptionally so I would say I like it a lot better than the Z Fold 6. Exceptionally so, I would say I like it a lot better than the z fold six. Um I, of the shortcomings I mentioned, the s pen is definitely my biggest one. The under display camera thing hasn't bothered me too much. I got used to it. With watching video, battery life is about rip, close it's.
Speaker 2:It's a little bit worse because the screen's bigger if you use the main screen a lot yeah battery life might be a little worse um but how much of an average charge, or how long screen on time?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah uh, probably about five hours. With this I get about six, probably, though on the fold six, so it's about an hour less. But you have a bigger display. So I mean, and it's the same battery, so they couldn't fit a bigger battery in, because of course all these people on my videos are like we want a bigger battery in there. Why didn't they get it? It's thinner.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's thinner. That's not how physics necessarily works.
Speaker 1:And then also, if you try to climb a bigger battery in there and it's thinner, you might have thermal problems and you don't want it blowing up like the Note 7. I understand you want a bigger battery, but you've got to give them some time to get the battery tech there. If you also want a thinner fold, Like some people are like, well, I don't want a thinner fold Well, a lot of people do and that's the way it's trending, so you might as well deal with it. Samsung's not going to make a thicker fold. They're not going to come out with like oh, we made this fold. That looks like a dictionary but it has a 20,000 milliamp battery.
Speaker 1:That's not going to happen. So if you want a 20-pound foldable battery, you're just going to have to keep hoping because it's never going to happen. It's never going to happen, that's just not happening. But I love it. I love this thing, man. I mean, if it wasn't for the S-Pen support not working, it would be almost complete.
Speaker 1:And I haven't talked about the most important upgrade, in my opinion, for most people that they've wanted on the Fold. Even people are like oh, I don't need a bigger cover screen. I heard that a lot in the comments when I made this. They're like oh, I like the Z Fold 6 screen. That's fine, and that's not me. I like the this. This actually makes it usable for me. I can't use the Z Fold 6 as my main phone. The wider cover screen here makes it usable.
Speaker 1:But the one thing that everybody wants better camera. And this one has the 200 megapixel sensor, main sensor from the S24 Ultra, and it is very, very good. I did some comparisons to the Z Fold 6. In low light situations this performs way better than the Z Fold 6. I'm going to make a video with the S24 Ultra as well this week. I'm working on that, comparing the camera shots. I got to go out and take a few more shots, but it's on the level of the S24 Ultra.
Speaker 1:In terms of the primary sensor, now, of course, the downside is, no, you don't get an upgraded ultra-wide or zoom sensor. You still only get 3x zoom on this, which is unfortunate. But I think we all agree that the primary sensor was the main problem on the Z Fold 6. And now it has a real flagship camera on a super expensive foldable which it should have had in the first place. They finally put the real flagship camera in a super expensive foldable, which it should have had in the first place. They finally put the real, you know, flagship camera in their flagship fold, and that's what people have been asking for for a long time. So would I be happy to if this were the Z Fold 7 in July next year, if they just basically slapped a 7 on this, crossed out the SE off this box, put a 7 there and shipped the same phone? Yes and no. Yes because it is a massive improvement over the Z Fold 6. But no because it still has plenty of shortcomings that they could address over the next nine months and it would be very disappointing to see them just put out the same exact phone that they released as a special release in another market. The things that I think they could easily fix. I think S Pen support can be fixed. I think they have the time. I think they have that in the pipeline. Most likely I think the under-display camera thing can be fixed, because I think figuring out how to get that to work with the UFG should be fixable, hopefully, within that time frame.
Speaker 1:Or here's a crazy idea Just get rid of the camera on the main display. You don't need it, because here's the thing. Why do you need this camera on the main display? You don't Because on the Galaxy Z Fold you have flip mode. If you want to take a video call, you can just flip it over and you can have your video call on this screen using the primary camera, which looks way better. You can use the main 200 megapixel camera as your, as your, webcam.
Speaker 1:I don't ever take video calls. People are like well, you need it for video calls? No, you don't. I don't ever use it because it sucks. Even on the Z Fold 6, the under display camera sucks. It's awful, so I don't ever use it. When I'm talking to like my mom. She's talking to the kids. I don't call her on the main display, I use the front display. Use the flip mode, use the camera here to take my video calls, and you can do that. You can do it with Google meet, um. So I don't really know why. You know, obviously not every, I guess not every app necessarily might support that, but I guess, in the case of the apps that I use, I mean you can use flip mode to use the primary camera as your video cam. And then also, I mean it's not really a big deal, you could just close it and use the cover screen camera, because there's a camera there too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I prefer that, yeah, and that one's also vastly superior to the camera that's on the main display. So another crazy idea is just get rid of it if you can't figure out how the tech works. That way, you still keep the thin profile and you don't have the little dot there in the middle of people's videos that makes them angry or whatever, but it doesn't bother me. After using it for a few days it's not a huge deal, but I think a lot of people it is going to bother, judging by the comments. My unboxing and comparison got a lot of views. So there's hundreds of comments that I got to look through of people's opinions on this. So I think maybe getting rid of it is the best thing.
Speaker 1:If they can't find a solution, I think S Pen will get fixed for sure. They need to add the proper zoom camera. We need at least 5x zoom on here. There's no reason we can't have 5x zoom. They fixed the main sensor. Let's fix the zoom sensor as well. I mean, if it were me, honestly I say just put the galaxy s25 ultra if possible it might not be engineeringly possible because they those are big sensors and put the ultra wide on there too. Put all the same cameras as the s25 ultra. Just put it on the z fold 7 yeah, if you could um some of the things that I don't think are going to happen.
Speaker 1:So I saw a lot of comments. Like I said, I'm just responding. This is basically a lot of the Q&A too, because I saw a lot of these questions and answers. We're kind of combining it here with the Z Fold Special Edition discussion. I saw a lot of questions that were like we need bigger battery. I don't think bigger battery, substantially bigger battery, is going to happen this time. Because, like I said, thermals, you know we don't want these things blowing up, tori.
Speaker 2:No, we don't, it's a luxury phone.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It needs to be taken with care. Yeah, no, they're not going to do that. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't think we'll see a bigger battery right now. We might see one down the line butPen slot. That's not happening either. That's just not happening right now. So they want an S-Pen slot in the foldable, just like in the S-Phone. Where are you going to put it Like?
Speaker 2:these people have these ideas and they're just like well, they're nice ideas, they're nice ideas.
Speaker 1:But like you've got to, if you're an engineer, the battery in here this thing folds in half and you want the unfolded version to be as thin as possible, then the s-pen is too wide to fit into the unfolded version because this is actually a lot thinner than the s24 ultra when it's unfolded.
Speaker 2:When it's unfolded like, I really like that profile. Yeah, you could barely fit an s-pen in here.
Speaker 1:I know, when it's unfolded, able to so in that case they'd have to make it thicker, which I don't think they want to do.
Speaker 1:Now there might be some way eventually that they could get the S Pen in part of the hinge. People have talked about this, but that's going to require more work with the hinge and they got a long way to go there. I don't know that they were even going to get to that point, because I think they might start doing rollable phones and that might take off before. I think rollables are going to be where it's at, more than the trifolds. But we'll see, um. But I just don't see an s-pin slot next year. I know that's a big fantasy people have had for years. Like I would love it too, because one of the reasons I don't use my fold with my s-pin that much is because, well, it's not attached to the s-pin. So what happens? I always lose my S-Pen, or I leave it at home or I leave it at the office or I forget it somewhere, because I'm not.
Speaker 1:you know it's hard to remember an extra thing to put in your pocket. So, unless I take, like my side bag, that I carry with me and I keep the S-Pen in there, which I try to do now that I'm using, you know, when I use the Z Fold 6 regularly, not with this one because it doesn't work with it, but when I have the Z Fold 6, I put the S Pen in there and I try to remember it. But obviously it's a lot easier to remember it on my S24 Ultra because it fits in the phone.
Speaker 2:It's there all the time.
Speaker 1:So obviously I'm in agreeance with all of you people. I would love to see it if they could bring it, but I just don't particularly see that occurring.
Speaker 2:I have a question. So obviously foldables have been out for a minute now and it has been quite some time since the first fold was released and again they were like it's a luxury phone, you know all that good stuff, but do you foresee if them going down to the slim route and we have a little bit more time, obviously, before we get to rollables? Could foldables get to a point where they are a daily driver for most people?
Speaker 1:Oh, I think so for sure. I think this phone is already taking a massive leap in that direction, at least for me, because, as much as I see it in the comments, people like I like the size of the Z Fold 6 display. I think a lot of people are still like me and they're like it's too thin, I mean it's too narrow for me to use it on a daily basis and they want that wider phone because a lot of things the thing is, even though when you get the Fold, the thing is when I got my first Fold, I had the very first one, the fantasy you have in your mind. I don't know why I the word fantasy today.
Speaker 2:It's like it's Mariah Carey kind of day.
Speaker 1:It's a sweet, sweet fantasy baby.
Speaker 2:I listened to that song on the way here.
Speaker 1:That must be why I had that on my. I had that on the radio right after the Steelers game was over, so I'm going to blame Mariah Carey for that anyway. But the main thing I keep seeing that a lot of people are saying is they're like oh yeah, well, I only care about the scatter screen being small, I don't care because I'm going to use the inner display. That's the thing that people have in their mind. But when you actually get the foldable and you're using as your daily driver, you're going to use the cover display 60% of the time, minimum, pretty much anybody.
Speaker 1:I've talked to people who are hardcore foldable users and they love them and they don't want to go back to a slap phone ever, and I asked them like, what percentage do you use the main display versus the cover? Oh, probably 60 for the cover, 40 for the main. So even people who love foldables, 60% of the time, which is the majority, is still spent on the cover display. So you say you don't care. But if you haven't had a foldable, you will care when you get it, because this is going to be your main screen, because this is going to be your main screen. So if this screen isn't comfortable for you to type and text and do all the stuff you do on the internet with. It's not going to be great Because there's a lot of scenarios if you live an active lifestyle or you're on the go, you're a business, you're a young professional, you're not going to be able to pull it out and unfold it Like when you're walking through the city streets, you're on the bus, you're on the train, you're at work.
Speaker 1:You're going to be like looking down here and you're going to run into someone, Like when I was teaching at the university. You know it's busy like in between while walking to teach, so I want to hit me with a bike or something. So, I can't be doing that Like.
Speaker 2:I got to have like my head up, like I'm looking.
Speaker 1:I'm doing my texts, I got my, I got my. I think that I still think I don't know. I'm on the fence. Could it be a little wider? I feel like this is almost the sweet spot for me. It could be a little wider.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing People often forget when they're saying these things they want that changing one of the dimensions also changes the other screen's dimensions. So if this gets wider, then the main display gets wider, which means it's either going to have to get taller or more square. So you have to change the aspect ratio of the inside. It's not just one. You can't change one screen without changing the other, because these phones are all in one package, right? It's a cause and effect situation. If you make it too much wider, then the inner aspect ratio is going to be weird for content watching and the amount of black bars you get when watching youtube is going to be just too extreme.
Speaker 1:It's going to be like the pixel 9 pro fold, which isn't a bad form factor, but I still prefer this because it gives you a nice balance of like. When you have it unfolded, you can still view like vertical content, like your x, twitter, x, whatever you want to call it feed your Instagram feed, but you can still also watch video. When it's in landscape the Pixel 9 Pro Fold the video looks a little bit better, like landscape tasks look a little bit better. But also now it's not as tall in the Pixel 9 Pro Fold. So vertical things where you want to scroll vertically, like my Google News feed or whatever, they're not as easy, they're not as nice to use. You don't get as much screen real estate when you use it this way. So I actually don't know, I think, if anything, maybe three or four millimeters wider would maybe be a super sweet spot. It's still a little bit more narrow than like some of the Chinese folds. Yeah, I like the Xiaomi Mi Mix fourfold. I have that one in there. It's pretty close to being, I think, perfect, but this I can live with this. This is good. I give samsung a huge kudos.
Speaker 1:I know and also I'll address, because this is another question I basically answered tons of questions over in the comments. People asking you know, do you think people should be pissed because they release the z fold six and then release a better one, only like three months later? I mean, I don't know what you want me to say. I mean they're a company, they got to make money. I mean I I don't know like, should you be pissed, I guess, if you want to be pissed?
Speaker 1:But the thing is we kind of knew that this was a possibility even before the z-fold pre-order period ended. So if you were an enthusiast, you knew that, like if you bought z-fold six, it might basically be replaced in other regions in three or four months, because we heard about this, like during July, the Z Fold Special Edition rumors were cranking up and so before you even pre-ordered and got your Z Fold 6, you could have canceled it and said, oh, I'll just wait and buy this one from Maria. But the fact of the matter is one you wouldn't be able to buy it on a payment plan. You'd have to bust out $300. I mean, sorry, $300. I wish $300.
Speaker 2:$3,000.
Speaker 1:Which is basically $1,200 or $1,100 more than the pre-tax price of the Z Fold 6, right, you wouldn't be able to finance it. I mean, you could finance it on a credit card, but you wouldn't be able to finance it with your carrier.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So you'd have to put it on a credit card or something like that, which a lot of people don't want to do. You wouldn't get a warranty, you wouldn't be able to use your S Pen, lots of things. The list goes on and on. So there's some tradeoffs. I don't really know. I mean, I wouldn't be that mad, because the fact of the matter is, if you wanted to fold and you like the Z Fold 6, obviously if you plopped down two grand for it, you liked it, because otherwise why would you have not done that? And also, the thing is, if you're an enthusiast, you're going to buy the Z Fold 7 next year anyway.
Speaker 2:So you only have to wait for eight more months anyway, that's my secret, jeff, so it's not like you know, I just like people in on the secret.
Speaker 1:Most of the people who are complaining about this asking if they should be pissed. They're going to upgrade every year anyway because it's not like the average consumer, because the average consumer guess what? They don't know these phones exist at all.
Speaker 1:That is true, because if I did not know, jeff, I would not know this phone existed. Because if a phone is, like, only available in other regions that aren't the US, and you know nothing about, like, being a phone enthusiast, you don't know that you could import this. So you know those people don't know. You know those people don't know, they don't care. They're like the average Joe Smoe who bought a Z Fold 6. They're not pissed because they don't even know that this phone came out in China and Korea. So they're going to feel super great and they're probably going to keep it for three years before they upgrade again. But it's all the people who obviously are enthusiasts who know about this. They're super pissed, but they're going to buy a Z Fold 7 in eight months. So you'll get this phone, probably with some substantial improvements.
Speaker 1:Now, I do understand it's annoying. Maybe you can be slightly annoyed. I'd say I wouldn't be pissed. I'd be slightly annoyed because what a lot of people are saying is well, samsung obviously had the tech. They could have just released this as the Z Fold 6. But then what would we have all said if they did that? We'd be like how can they release a flagship product globally with no S Pen?
Speaker 1:That would be the number one narrative and it would be much worse because it would be a global release. They'd be like that's a step backwards. Samsung didn't bring their flagship feature to their flagship foldable. It would be a huge media blitz.
Speaker 1:What happened to innovation, and then we would also be mad because they didn't put the under-display camera on the inside. They're like oh, we got this huge dot right in the middle of our video. So it's not like everything was upgraded without any compromises. So you're still getting a better experience in some areas with the Z Fold 6. And maybe, as a global consumer, that's not like obviously in my position, where obviously I can buy this and inform all of you about it and make money. Just wait eight months.
Speaker 1:They're probably going to put this out with some changes that will make you happy and then you don't have to compromise on the camera, on the under display camera, on any of those things. Hopefully the S pen will be back on the main display. You'll be super stoked. So I would say to those people who asked me should they be pissed? I don't know, I'd just be a little annoyed and if you're thinking about it, if you should be pissed about it, you're probably going to buy the Z Fold 7. So just chill, relax, have a couple drinks and by the time you know it, it'll be July and then you'll be able to buy your brand new Z Fold 7, which will look like this form factor but probably have some nice changes. That's what I have to say. Anything else, tori, about the Z Fold Special Edition, now that you've seen it.
Speaker 2:No, I mean to me it's a little too luxurious for me in terms of price points. But I think that is a really solid device there. I think they can only go up from here. I think it does fit along with the slim profile that's kind of becoming the trend now. We want foldables and we want it slim and we want it now.
Speaker 1:What do we want? Foldables? How do we want them Slim? When do we want them Now?
Speaker 2:There we go. Yeah, there we go. I like it. I think it's a really nice profile when it's laid out and you know, honestly, I think I could live without the S Pen support if I got that package. But I would like for that main display punch-out camera hole to not be there. Other than that, I would say that is a very luxury device.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a really nice one and, to be fair, also one other thing they are charging basically the same price, only like a couple hundred more in Korea for it. The reason I paid three grand for it is because the Korean resellers got to make a lot of money.
Speaker 1:They're like this guy wants it in the US, we got to jack it up $800 on top. They they're like this guy wants it in the US, we've got to jack it up $800 on top. They're like we're not going to ship that to the US unless we're making at least almost a grand in profit. So it's not like Samsung's jacking up the price unrealistically, which is why they keep selling out. They've released it now three different launches, three different waves of it in Korea. Every time it's sold out in 10 minutes or less.
Speaker 2:So everyone these in Korea, everyone's buying them. Of course, probably 90% of them are buying them so they can put them up on eBay and other marketplaces so they can sell them to idiots like me.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't consider myself an idiot because I didn't lose three grand in the end. I actually made money off of it. So the joke's on them.
Speaker 1:I bought it from them and I actually turned that into more cash, but they're probably trying to sell it to Korea. That's the thing. The other thing, one last thing before we go. Some people were saying oh well, I guess these people are just being haters, probably, but it's worth mentioning. Some people were saying oh, this would be a cool phone if Samsung wasn't already so far behind all the Chinese foldables, and to that I say that is false, sir. You are wrong, Because while Samsung may not have as thin of hardware and some cover screens not still as large, keep in mind, One UI is still far superior to any Chinese software when it comes to multitasking.
Speaker 1:I've used all of them. Multitasking on Samsung is the pinnacle of what you can get done with a phone, and if you're someone like me who often has a lot of stuff going on, you're researching an article, you're texting your wife, you're scrolling through your Twitter, your ex, whatever feed to respond to your fans or interact with people, you got a lot of stuff going on. While you're sitting on your couch trying to enjoy a cold beverage at night and watch some TV, You're trying to do a bunch of stuff on your phone, Having that multitasking ability and the ability to interact and change windows and go to pop-up windows and do all that stuff is a game changer. So if you want quality software with your hardware, no one is doing that like Samsung. There's just no one.
Speaker 1:Plus, people forget when Samsung puts this out and they do put the S Pen compatibility. And I will mark my words if they don't have S Pen compatibility on the Z Fold 7, it's going to look like this, but it'll have the S Pen on the inside. At least It'll have the S Pen on one of these screens. I'll shave my head live on the podcast. I've already made a couple promises like this, I've got to keep track of it, but they're going to have the S Pen.
Speaker 1:And guess how many other foldable Chinese brands who make foldables have S Pen or stylus compatibility on the inner screen? It's zero. None of them do so. Why does Samsung still have a slightly thicker device? Well, because they want to keep that S Pen compatibility. Those other brands aren't bound by that constraint. So if you want stylus compatibility and multitasking support in your software that offers a seamless experience, you're not getting that from Huawei, xiaomi, vivo.
Speaker 2:They're not doing it Honor.
Speaker 1:You're not getting it from those companies, so Samsung is still giving you an experience you can't get anywhere else. Are they necessarily at the peak of what the hardware looks like? Maybe not, but giving you an experience you can't get anywhere else. Are they necessarily at the peak of what the hardware looks like? Maybe not, but with all the constraints and all the quality that you get, on top with the software compatibility, I still think samsung's number one in foldables. I I mean I would not use any other foldable as a daily driver at this point and I think eventually samsung will dominate the long-term foldable market because Because they have so much understanding of what people want in foldables.
Speaker 1:I think even when the iPhone releases the foldable, I think if Samsung can continue on the track they're on with the flip and the fold they can continue to dominate the people who want that form factor. They have an opportunity there. So anyway, next week we'll be back. Hey, will we be talking about One UI 7? I have no idea.
Speaker 2:No idea.
Speaker 1:I'm not talking about One UI 7. Again, I'm going on strike Until they release the beta. I will have nothing else to say on this podcast about it. So if you, guys want me to talk about the beta Samsung. You fire up those servers tonight on Samsung members and you push the beta notification so I can download it and actually run it. I'm not talking about leaks, or it might come out next week or any more of that. This is an ultimatum.
Speaker 2:What do we want? We want the beta. When do?
Speaker 1:we want it Now.
Speaker 2:Now Push it and in the interim this week.
Speaker 1:Keep expanding your galaxy.