SammyGuru with Jeff Springer
SammyGuru with Jeff Springer
I bought a $3000 Samsung Phone + My Wallet Is Sad
Get ready to geek out as we explore the impressive specifications of the Z Fold Special Edition, including its thinner design and superior camera features. Despite the lack of S Pen support, we speculate on potential innovations for future Samsung models, including the highly anticipated Z Fold 7. Our tech talk extends to the broader landscape of Samsung's upcoming releases, such as the Snapdragon 8 Elite processor, expected to enhance performance and battery life in the new S25 series. We also discuss how ARM's demands for higher royalties from Qualcomm could impact phone pricing and Samsung's strategies to counteract these pressures.
We wrap up with a lighthearted discussion about Samsung's color options for the S25 series, our thoughts on One UI 7.0 updates, and the potential of Samsung's customization services. We reflect on the importance of user experience and the challenges of launching new tech products, highlighted by Apple's Vision Pro pricing misstep. Amidst the Halloween festivities, we leave you with a playful mention of a mysterious Samsung Z Fold case and our anticipation for the next episode. Join us for a fun-filled conversation brimming with tech insights, sports talk, and a sprinkle of nostalgia.
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Welcome back everybody. This is episode number 18 of the Sammy Guru podcast. My name is Jeff Springer. With me, as always, my co-host, Torrey Torrey, say hi.
Speaker 2:Hey, how's it?
Speaker 1:going and yeah, we're back again. I just spent a lot of money this week on some Samsung hardware from another country. I could very well drop it when I get it, and then I would never be able to get any money back from it, because there's no warranty. And just if I dropped it, it's gone, so we'll talk about that later in the show um tory.
Speaker 2:How was your week, though? Uh busy, uh. I think this is my second week back from fall break, so just trying to get into the swing of things, uh, but the classes are going uh really well over doing proofs so, uh, it's always a favorite of mine.
Speaker 1:I know know? You know what I always say, Tori. I just say when you're doing proofs, just make sure you keep saying true things.
Speaker 2:Yes, I told him. I was like, yeah, you know my real analysis professor. That's what he just kept telling us. I just keep saying true things, that's right, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's one of my things. I used to have a lot of sayings even before I was semi-guru. I used to have a lot of math sayings when I was a professor so, but you know, hey, at least you don't still work at that circle k. You know, tory used to work at the circle k. We were talking about that yeah before the show when I first met tory, when he was my student in uh, calculus one, like no, or was it maybe no stats statistics?
Speaker 1:yeah, I don't, but I don't think I was working there no, you weren't, but when you worked at the calculus one 1. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a calculus one?
Speaker 2:I was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you were working there when the calculus one. I remember because the calculus one class that Tori took for me was a 7 am yeah, and I was an adjunct professor, so I was still doing like my PhD and I was doing a bunch of stuff. I was always trying to do a bunch of stuff to make some money, even before I started becoming an entrepreneur and doing YouTube, and so I would always be late or I would cancel class or miss class because it's seven in the morning and I would oversleep. I'd be working till like 3.30 in the morning or Tori wouldn't be there.
Speaker 2:So Tori and I like never saw each other?
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, it's actually true, tori was so tired because he was working multiple jobs while doing school. And I was tired because I was doing multiple jobs while also doing school my PhD program because I was an adjunct. I had my master's, but I was doing my PhD program and so we almost never saw each other, because either I was there and Tori wasn't, or I canceled class, and so we didn't see each other then. So I would only see Tori when he came to my office hours.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's actually true, or I'll just email him. I could probably count on my hands how many times we probably saw each other like five times out of 30 or 40 classes, so you know how Tori and I became such good friends and ended up doing this podcast together, who knows, because we barely saw each other the first couple times.
Speaker 1:I mean the stats. Actually I was there a decent amount of time. We were both there. That was the first one, so we kind of knew each other from there. But you know we didn't really get to talk too much. So there's a little bit of fun Jeff and Torrey history there behind the scenes action.
Speaker 2:It was just really because he would just wear his Alabama jacket. That's right. I had an.
Speaker 1:Alabama jacket and Torrey had some Alabama hat. I think you had. Yeah, and so we bonded over that. Our Alabama team is absolute garbage this season.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they are lighting him up.
Speaker 1:Caden, daybor has destroyed our team in only seven games. It's pretty sad.
Speaker 2:They're lighting him up. I don't know when do we go from here.
Speaker 1:I don't know either.
Speaker 2:Do you think he could return? I think he might get fired Really. I mean, this is Alabama. People expect to win this year, not next year.
Speaker 1:I mean, honestly, I didn't have super. After beat georgia I was like everyone was wrong about this guy. He's gonna be like he could be the second, another nick saban, like it could be amazing. But after these last three games, I mean the level of discipline like he's just letting the players do whatever they want yeah and it shows on the field.
Speaker 1:They got, you know, 20 penalties for like 150 yards. They've gotten more penalties so far this season than they did all of last season combined in half as many games. You know Saban's teams were less disciplined the last few years but he wouldn't put up with the garbage he would make them. You know they'd be running like. You know they'd be running bleachers in the stadiums.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all day he's like this guy.
Speaker 1:he's just like oh, it's okay, we'll improve later. It doesn't really work in Alabama. People are going to be like, no, you'll improve now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now you won't be here. If you want a job, you will do it now.
Speaker 1:So I would say he needs to win the rest of the games, whether we make the playoff or not, which I don't think we have a good chance because losing to Vanderbilt is really bad, regardless of if we went out.
Speaker 1:But I think he needs to win the rest of the games and I think it needs to not look as sloppy. If he wins all the rest of the games, the penalties go down and it doesn't look as sloppy. Even if we don't make the playoff, I think he keeps his job. If he loses even one more game, then I think he's going to get fired. Sorry, but 9-3 is not enough.
Speaker 2:9 three and not making the SEC title or the playoff, Not enough to win over the Alabama people.
Speaker 1:You know like if you're at ASU or U of A nine and three is like the greatest season in the history of the program, but this is Alabama Like if you're at ASU or U of A like. Last year U of A went nine and three.
Speaker 2:They were like having a parade. They're going to induct all the players. They closed down to town to celebrate. They're gonna induct all the players into the hall of fame last year because they went nine and three.
Speaker 1:But at alabama nine and three is just a little different yeah, no one's gonna induct you into the hall of fame no, you're gonna.
Speaker 1:Your coach is gonna lose their job. Yes, the athletic director could lose his job. Yeah, all the players who play on this team probably won't start next year. It's a little bit different when you go 9-3 at a place like Alabama. Anyway, I'm pretty sad about that, but we'll see. Tomorrow they play another ranked opponent in Missouri. Yeah, they do, and I don't have high hopes because Missouri is actually a pretty tough team. They had a tough game last week against Auburn, but I mean, everyone in the SEC is tough. So winning the rest of these games not a given by any stretch of the imagination. So we'll see what happens there.
Speaker 1:So let's get into the Samsung news. We've got a lot of news this week, not a ton of hardware, but we'll kick it off with the one piece of sort of hardware news, which is that I purchased the Galaxy Z Fold Special Edition. Yes, purchased, as I said I would do, and I was spot on about the price that I would have to pay for the Z Fold Special Edition. I did pay $3,000, even well, plus tax, from the Korean retailer that I've previously purchased phones from. In the past.
Speaker 1:I saw some cheaper listings, various places like eBay and other places, but at the end of the day, I want to get the phone quickly. So I decided to go with the importer that I've already worked with in the past, because they usually ship it quickly. Some people will, you know, lollygag around or they won't use a shipping service that'll give it to me fast enough. And then the international shipping. If you use the wrong shipping service or you don't know what you're doing with the customs form, that could delay it like two weeks and I don't really have two weeks.
Speaker 1:I mean, the form will be worthless to me if I get it in three weeks, because most of the hype and the chance to make content will be died down, but we will have full content. It's a very exciting phone overall, just to run down really quickly, all right. So just to go over some of the specs here. For the Z Fold Special Edition, we have a 10.6 millimeter thin when folded, 4.9 millimeter when unfolded, which makes it 1.0 millimeters thinner than the Galaxy Z Fold 6 when folded, at 236 grams, it's also 3 grams lighter than the Fold 6. This is despite Samsung offering bigger screens, better cameras and the unchanged battery capacity. So we do have the 200 megapixel primary sensor here. Eight inch screen on the inside and then on the outside a 6.5 inch dynamic AMOLED display with a 21 by 9 aspect ratio, so it is wider than the cover screen on this guy.
Speaker 1:I have the Z Fold fold 6 right here, which is what we wanted. The camera is a lot better. Uh, it does have the same telephoto and ultra wide camera and the same battery life. It also has the same processor, snapdragon 8 gen 3, and this one only comes in one color, which is this black color that has a little bit of a texture to it. There's no other color options, mainly because this is only for two markets. So it wouldn't make a lot of sense to have you know a ton of color options when you have, all you know, just one or two markets that you're offering.
Speaker 2:And I agree.
Speaker 1:But it does look pretty nice. I mean, you've seen probably some of the renders because you saw it launched this week. We have some of them right here. So I launched this week, we have some of them right here. It does look appreciably thinner than the Z Fold 6. One thing I will say is the camera is obviously a lot larger because of the primary sensor. I wonder if you don't have a case on if it's going to rock back and forth a little bit more than the Z Fold 6. But I mean, this basically does give you the S24 Ultra camera in a foldable, which is something we complained about and said we wanted when the foldable was released. So Samsung is listening to what people have to say, trying to provide that to people, and it does look pretty good. Now, the one thing that is a downer about this that we didn't realize beforehand was we thought that Samsung was still going to allow S Pen support, but it turns out the Z Fold Special Edition does not support the S Pen.
Speaker 1:And that is because there's an extra layer over the top of the front display digitizer that allows use of the S Pen. It's basically like a Wacom stylus right, just like it uses the digitizer to allow you to write. They basically had to not include that on here, like that same digitizing panel, so they could make it thinner. That allowed them to make it thinner. So because of that 1.5 millimeter extra reduction in the thickness, that means no S-Pen on the outer part. Now how much does that really matter to people at the end of the day? I don't really know. Matter to people at the end of the day? I don't really know. I don't know. It's not a huge deal, probably for most people, I would imagine, but for me I like to have the S Pen. I mean particularly because the S Pen works on the big canvas, obviously like drawing and stuff and taking notes.
Speaker 1:This is a much better device to take notes, and I think I misspoke a second ago. The S Pen, of course, works on the outer display. I'm sorry, on the inner display, not the outer display. So the digitizing layer on the inner display is what I was talking about, because this is, of course, where you would want to use the S Pen anyway. It's on the inner display because that's mostly where you would want to do your drawing and your note taking. So and your note taking.
Speaker 2:So it doesn't support the S Pen anywhere yeah, anywhere, but the regular.
Speaker 1:Fold doesn't support it on the outer display anyway. I think a lot of people don't realize that they still don't support the S Pen on the outer display in the Z Fold 6. People have complained about that, but I don't think too many people really. I mean, I don't know. I mean I guess it would be kind of nice to have it to write a note sometimes, but I think most people when they're doing any serious note taking they're going to unfold it, because that's the whole point right of having the bigger, the bigger canvas um, well, so then I have a question.
Speaker 2:I mean because, like we, we've talked about this like before, like, uh, maybe more than likely, uh, this version could be a look into next year's yeah, yeah for the Z Fold 7. Yeah for the Z Fold 7. So do you think them getting to a point where they do have S-Pen support, like do you think that would be of importance? Or do you think Samsung just may say, hey, we're just to keep that deadness, we just can't include that.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think obviously, in order for this to become the Z Fold 7, they have to add some other stuff, because people here would be kind of upset if they just took the one they released from October of 2024 and released it in July 2025. That's like eight, nine months, right.
Speaker 1:People would be pretty upset about that. So yeah, I mean I think the S Pen support will come back to the inner display for the Z Fold 7. I think probably they decided to do this maybe not super last minute because you can't really release a phone last minute. You have to develop it.
Speaker 1:It's not like you can decide tonight you're going to release a phone tomorrow. But maybe they decided it too late in the cycle that they were going to modify the Z Fold 6 to release this special version. Maybe they had a couple different prototypes, but maybe they hadn't perfected the S Pen support and so they're like well, you know, it's going to be two markets, so just release it without the S Pen support. But for a global launch, I think the S Pen support's got to come back to the inside, because it's kind of, you know, for your flagship foldable, you don't want to have a downgrade or a side grade. This is just a regional release. It's two countries and they didn't really even have a massive event. It was kind of just like a press release on their website and they had a little bit of press in Korea and China. It's not a huge deal. But if you have an unpacked event and you're like, oh well, last year's phone supported the S.
Speaker 1:Pen, but not this year that's disappointing. You can't do that as a big company like Samsung. It that's disappointing. Like you can't do that as a big company like samsung. Uh, it's hard to it's hard to do that. I mean, if you're going to remove something, you have to have a good reason why. Yeah, and it can't usually, unfortunately. The sad thing is, when you're a big company like samsung, it can't be that we just couldn't figure out how to do it technically yeah, you know, like when they, when they were innovation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they have to give you. They have to give you a reason, whether you like it or not like when they took away the headphone jack.
Speaker 1:They're like well because everybody arms everybody just love? Yeah, some people love the headphone jack. Are you one of those guys who?
Speaker 2:I, I was, I was like, what do you mean? I don't get a headphone jack. And then the following year they stopped including, uh, the chargers in the box and also around around the same time.
Speaker 1:Not only to get rid of the headphone jack, they got rid of the micro sd card for expanded storage.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so know there's some people who are still hanging on to their micro SD and headphone jack, like they still got their Galaxy S8 or Galaxy S7, whatever the last model was that supports it. I should know that, but I don't remember. But you know, when they got rid of that, you know they had to write a whole narrative around it, like the year they had that event. Whatever year it was. They're like well, no one really does wired headphones anymore because Bluetooth is now ubiquitous and that's the future and we envision a wireless future and all this marketing speak. They've got to give you a spiel. So if they got rid of the S Pen, they'd have to give some reason. They'd have to be like oh no one really uses the S Pen. You don't want to say that because that's one of your flagship products. That would make you look terrible. I don't see Samsung saying well, nobody ever uses the S Pen. Whether or not that's true or not, I don't know, I use it a lot. I mean, I imagine some casual users maybe not.
Speaker 1:My wife I don't think it really rarely pulls out the S Pen or S24 Ultra. I've seen her maybe pull it out like twice since she got it in January.
Speaker 1:So maybe a lot of average users don't, but I think the data probably supports that. The hardcore Samsung users, which there are millions of, probably do use the S Pen a lot and that's why they keep including it, because obviously they wouldn't keep including it I don't think in the Ultra phones if people didn't use it, because if they took the S Pen out they could put a bigger battery in there and so that would make people happy. So they wouldn't keep doing that if they. You know, the tradeoff is, I think, there. I think people, the fans, use it Anyway.
Speaker 1:Z Fold Special Edition the equivalent of $2,036 is the retail price in Korea. I paid $1,000 markup to buy it on secondhand market. Don't have a choice because there's no firsthand market here, so you're buying it secondhand if you're buying it in the US or Europe or any other market that is in Asia. But yeah, I mean it's basically, you know it's about $300 more expensive than the Z Fold 6 in Korea. The Z Fold 6 is roughly $1,742. That's the currency conversion. Samit did it in the article. It's $2,000, or is that $2 million? Yeah, $2,388,100 Korean won.
Speaker 1:I think is the currency which converts to $1,742 US dollars. That's what I call currency, like the valuation there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for real right. $2 million is $1,700 US.
Speaker 1:That's interesting, but I didn't actually realize that. But yeah, so we'll have a lot of coverage on this. I mean I'm going to try to make like at least three or four, maybe five videos on this, going to do a full comparison between this and the Z Fold 6. I'm going to probably do a camera comparison with this to the S24 Ultra. Those are the two big ones I think everybody wants to see to see how good the camera is. And then maybe a couple of other kind of pieces of content, just like showing off how some of the multitasking works on that foldable, if there's any differences in the software, doing a full tour because I actually haven't imported a phone from Korea in a while and just seeing if there's any differences in the software from between this and the US might be interesting. So we'll have some content at SammyGuru as well. That's mostly what I had to say about it. The Chinese version is going to be slightly different. It's going to have some gold trim around the outside, because China loves gold trim on their phones.
Speaker 1:Samsung used to release some of their flip phones with gold trim around the outside. Just because China likes that. That one's called the W25. That's the name of it in China. They always have these weird names with letters in China. I don't know why, but that one is basically going to be the same as this one specs-wise, but with some bells and whistles on the actual look of the phone. Instead of just being black, this one's pretty much all blacked out. The other one would be black and gold, with some various pieces to it. So that is the Z Fold Special Edition, and we do have one coming.
Speaker 2:Go ahead. Oh no, go ahead. It's an interesting thought actually. So you mentioned, for the Special Edition they'll probably need to add some new features, you know like for the Z Fold 7. What you know. If you were to pick like one or two, what are some things you think or you would hope that they include, or maybe go down that avenue for them to include on that phone.
Speaker 1:That's a good question. And also I want to mention too, before I forget we actually did a story on Sammy Guru that came out from the Korean media that Samsung is not planning to make budget foldables, because some people said they were at one point, and that they actually have three to five foldable models planned for next year. Three to five foldable models planned for next year, so there could potentially be a Z Fold 7 and a Z Fold Ultra and maybe a Z Fold Special Edition later in the year.
Speaker 1:You're talking about some really luxury phones which would be crazy If they made an Ultra Z Fold, I would imagine that would probably cost close to $2,500 in the US directly from Samsung, not third-party importing like I did with the Special Edition. But to answer your question, I think obviously this one doesn't have S-Pen support. You've got to bring the S-Pen support back. I think they have to increase the water resistance and dust resistance because it's still fairly minimal compared to what you get on a phone like the S24 Ultra. It has obviously a lot more dust and water resistance than what you get on. A phone like the Galaxy Z Fold 6 doesn't have much dust and water resistance than what you get on a phone you know. Like you know, the Galaxy Z Fold 6 doesn't have much dust and water resistance, so you know, adding that would be pretty huge.
Speaker 1:I think I don't know. I'm on the fence about if it needs an even wider cover display. I'll have to tell you once I get the Z Fold Special Edition in my hand, because everyone knows that I've been very critical of the narrow cover display and I don't like it on the Z Fold. I still use this a lot actually. I mean I use it a lot when I sit on my couch for multitasking and I've actually used it more in day-to-day than I have past Folds, because it is a little wider and this one is wider still, so maybe this one is the sweet spot. So I'll reserve judgment. I think it needs a wider screen than the Z Fold 6, but maybe what is on here is enough to get the job done. I think they need to upgrade the ultra-wide and the zoom cameras, because those are not upgraded.
Speaker 2:The primary camera on the.
Speaker 1:Special Edition is upgraded, but the zoom and the ultra-wide is basically the same as on here. They need a sharper under display camera for selfies. This one doesn't have an under display camera. They actually got rid of that to also make the screen larger. So there are some compromises with the special edition. It gave people a lot of what they wanted. It's kind of like the Note 7 fan edition, although that one was made because the other one blew up. I mean, that's a little different. The Z Fold 6 doesn't blow up.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying that.
Speaker 1:The Z Fold 6 is perfectly safe. The Note 7 was like a grenade, so they had to make a fan edition for people who wanted one, but they didn't want to have their face charred.
Speaker 2:So they're like here's a fan edition.
Speaker 1:If you're a fan, we don't want to blow you up, so enjoy this fan edition. But you know, I mean, I think those are pretty sizable upgrades. I mean those might not look the sexiest on the spec sheet, but I mean include water, you know, increased dust and water resistance. Making sure the S Pen worked on both displays would be huge, I think. No I think so too. If it worked on the outer display, that would be an upgrade.
Speaker 2:Because it's such a quick like. Just a quick like, just a quick note, like if you're writing like something for your grocery list or something yeah you don't necessarily want to unfold it.
Speaker 1:Most of the times you're taking serious notes. You're definitely going to unfold it. Um, cameras, upgrading those, those secondary cameras, the selfie camera, those would all be massive upgrades. And of course I mean I would tend to say it would be awesome if they could put a larger battery in there. But let's be honest with keeping it even, even thinner that's probably not happening. So I mean I'm not going to say that that's required, because the battery life on the Z Fold 6 isn't terrible.
Speaker 2:The.
Speaker 1:Special Edition has the same size battery and of course I don't have that phone yet, but I would imagine it's going to get similar battery life and I'm perfectly okay with the battery life on here. Plus the Snapdragon 8 Elite, which we're going to talk about in a second. That's the new chip from Snapdragon. They had their event this week. That's going to be more power efficient, so that'll go in the new Z Fold 7. And so that should increase battery life even without having a larger battery itself. So let's actually segue into that, because you guys know I am in fact the master of the segue. That's what they tell me. Fact the master of the Segway.
Speaker 2:That's what they tell me. I'm the master of the Segway.
Speaker 1:So we're going to Segway into the Snapdragon 8 Elite, which is the new processor from Snapdragon. A lot of people were asking me this week Let me get my water here, why I wasn't in Hawaii?
Speaker 1:because if you know anything about tech, you know every year, qualcomm hosts their Snapdragon Summit in Hawaii, in Maui. I always get invited and I got invited this year as well, but I decided not to go just because, well, I did a bit of traveling before this and I've had kids and a family man and a lot of these people who do YouTube the fact of the matter is it's choice, but a lot of them who do all the traveling, they don't have families. If you look at, a lot of the matter is it's choice, but a lot of them who do all the traveling, they don't have families. If you look at a lot of the younger youtubers who are there in maui, there's a couple people who do have kids and you know that might be their one trip for the year and that's fine. But, um, a lot of people younger youtubers they go to a lot of these events because they want to travel and I got no kids. That's great, but if you got kids, you got a family.
Speaker 1:You can't be I. I don't want to be gone two or three weeks out of every month because you could be as a youtuber. If you're a successful youtuber, you could take brand invitations and go to all these events you know around the world, but I'd rather save my time to go to, like samsung developer conference, the unpacked events, the ones that are super important for sammy guru, um, and next year I am going to plan to attend this one. Put put it on my calendar. I do want to go, at least once or twice, and we'll see. My wife may try to go with me, because a free trip to Hawaii is not a bad deal, Right? Not?
Speaker 2:a bad deal, but anyway getting into the announcement.
Speaker 1:The key announcement was Snapdragon 8 Elite is the new mobile processor from Qualcomm and it's going to be the one that's inside this S25 series Pretty much globally. We know that Samsung has pretty much canceled their plans at this point to include their Exynos in-house processors in the S25. So Snapdragon everywhere, for the Ultras for sure, the S25 Ultra. This thing has some really impressive specs. They changed their naming scheme. They used to call it Snapdragon 8 Gen 1, gen 2, gen 3. This one was supposed to be Gen 4, but they made the jump to Snapdragon 8 Elite, x, elite here, snapdragon 8 Elite, and that is because this is just a huge paradigm shift in how they do their mobile processors. This one really isn't just a marketing speak. The Elite processor really brings a lot of improvements in processing power the ability to handle AI tasks, the ability to handle image signal processing in the camera, like for doing all of your computational photography stuff that your phone needs to do. It has a lot of opportunities to also improve things. Like I said, battery life, multitasking, which, of course, samsung phones are well known for their multitasking capabilities, so the Snapdragon 8 Elite should allow you to do that as well. It has built-in ultra-wideband, which means that you should overall get a better experience from your 5G service if you have ultra-wideband because it's going to be integrated, you don't have a separate modem for that. That should also help this phone streamline. Like Samsung has an OEM, they'll be able to streamline their phones because they don't have two separate parts for ultra-wideband and then also for the processor, and it's overall just looks like a huge improvement to to what they're doing here. So, um, I was really impressed. I watched the event I I do think that it's a very valuable upgrade to the processor and I do think that the s25 ultra one of the key reasons to upgrade to this phone actually will be this processor.
Speaker 1:I've used the Elite series in the laptops. You guys know I have the Galaxy Book 4 Edge. This is the Book 5 Pro 360, but I use the Book 4 Edge. You know I use it every night. I use it a lot on my couch as well, when I'm sitting there doing work. That laptop gets insane battery life the best I've ever seen. No exaggeration on a Windows machine. It gets eight or nine hours battery life on Windows machines a lot Like I've never seen. That's pretty good For a Windows laptop. That's a lot of battery. I mean my MacBook, like I said, can do a little better, but for Windows it's very impressive. So that is of an elite series, and now they're doing the same thing with mobile.
Speaker 1:So I have high hopes that this is going to improve the battery life quite a lot. They benchmarked the processor a little bit on various places and it looks like it's it's improved by quite about about 33 performance wise over the snapdragon 8 gen 3 and uh yeah, it looks like it's going to be. Uh yeah, it looks like it's going to be a massive improvement here. So I don't know, I mean this is something that sometimes people who don't really get into the tech world don't study the stuff to do with processors that much. But I think it's a good reason for average consumers to get excited, because you know you do care about better battery life. You do, obviously, you do care about getting better pictures, and this is also going to make all that AI stuff that's going on your phone happen faster so it doesn't slow down the other stuff you're doing. So I mean those sound like pretty good things right to you, tori.
Speaker 2:I think so too. Yeah, like, I think so too, like, Because I only ever started hearing about Stamp Dragon until I started watching your videos. But it always seems like these are going to be very welcome updates that I think everyone is just going to like in the community.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we covered a whole bunch of things about the chip. There's benchmarks and everything on the site if you want to read it, but I wanted to mention that personally, I think that this really is going to be a huge shift for Snapdragon in terms of mobile. It seems like that they're finally trying to compete with Apple in terms of raw power of the chips you can find in Android phones, because a long time Apple's A-series Bionic chips that they make themselves. They've really kind of destroyed snapdragon in a lot of ways, and now it seems like qualcomm is trying to hitting back and really taking control of the, the mobile processor landscape, which should allow samsung and android to be a little more competitive when it comes to performance. So better gaming, better connectivity for 5g, better cameras, computational photography, better battery life, better multitasking All of that stuff should translate on the Galaxy S25 series.
Speaker 1:The S25 series should be one of the first smartphones in the US running this new processor. The OnePlus 13 could be the first one, so it might not be the first, but it'll be one of the first. Again, we don't know exactly when Samsung plans to launch the S25 series yet we know it's probably in January at some time. It could be mid to late January this year. It could be a little later than last year, but it should be one of the first phones to run the new Snapdragon 8 chip.
Speaker 2:I just think, too, with kind of like, where we're getting to the phones, like in terms of like price and everything, like I really do feel like the average consumer, with all those features that you just listed, where the Snapdragon will kind of, like you know, enhance those Like I really do feel like the consumer is going to really enjoy like the products that they're getting, really enjoy the products that they're getting. Now they may not feel inclined to buy the next one immediately the average consumer but I really do feel like this is giving the consumer a good thing for their buck in terms of quality of the device in comparison with their Apple counterparts.
Speaker 1:I think it's great that Snapdragon is finally trying to help Android be competitive, because, of course, you need a powerful chip to compete with Apple.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:Samsung doesn't make the chips that are in the S series for themselves I mean, at least in the US, but usually a lot of places for the Ultras is a Qualcomm chip, and so they need that power to be on par in order for gaming. And I mean, one UI can be as smooth as you want, but if it doesn't have a great processor to run on the software on, then it won't be great. And though most people don't get into the technical specs, it's good to have someone who does care, like I do care to tell you this is not just an average year over year upgrade of the chip.
Speaker 1:Sometimes it's like, oh well, they just changed the number on the chip and, yeah, it's the new one and it's like a 5% increase in performance and 5% increase in battery life and it doesn't really do change anything else with any of the other facets of your phone. That doesn't seem to be the case here. There's quite a few different features that this chip is really going to make better, and it should be a big part of making your experience better if you buy an S25. So we'll have more to say about it when we get the S25 or when I get a phone that first runs the Snapdragon 8 Elite. But from watching the event on Monday I live tweeted it. If you check out my ex I was super impressed and continuing with my professional segueing skills.
Speaker 2:Yes, very professional.
Speaker 1:The good people at ARM are not too happy with Qualcomm. They're trying to ruin Qualcomm's party this week because the good people at Arm want more royalties from Qualcomm's and they're threatening to cancel the license that they have. So Arm Technologies basically—so how do I explain this to people who don't know anything about tech? This is a tough one. So I mean, if you're a casual user, most of you listening, I know, probably know who ARM is. But Qualcomm makes the Snapdragon 8 Elite, which we just talked about. That's the processor that runs your phone, like that's the brain, right, but the weird thing is they don't make the instruction set that tells the brain of your phone how to connect some of the tasks that it has to do. So arm actually makes that instruction set. Arm is the company that creates the instruction set that tells all the parts of the brain of your phone, the Snapdragon 8 Elite, to do the things it needs to do, and so ARM is a separate company, but they've had a long-time license and partnership agreement with Qualcomm Because, of course, they're kind of interconnected right I mean essentially right, since they're a CPU core core, you know company and they make the instruction sets that tells the brain, like I said the processor what to do. They need to work with people who are making good chips, like qualcomm, and vice versa for them to make money. But apparently, um, qualcomm is a little frustrated, um, because arm wants more money and they put out.
Speaker 1:Actually, I think the second day is tuesday or wednesday of the snapdragon summit is a little frustrated because ARM wants more money and they put out. Actually, I think the second day it was Tuesday or Wednesday of the Snapdragon Summit, which gets a bunch of press. They knew they did this on purpose. They told the media that they were going to pull their licensing agreement with Qualcomm. Like the day after they announced these new flagship chips, they were raining on their parade. They're like you guys are having that big celebration in Hawaii. Well, guess what we're telling you guys? We're filing another lawsuit against you for anti-competitive practices or whatever I forgot. No, yeah, they're filing a lawsuit against them basically for trying to basically skirt around paying them more money, and it's all about money on both sides.
Speaker 2:And then Qualcomm is filing a countersuit, I think.
Speaker 1:They've been tied up in court before. They've had a couple of different lawsuits. Qualcomm filed a countersuit saying that they had some anti-competitive practices on Arm's side. The S25 Ultra and the S25 series as a whole could end up seeing a massive price increase if ARM were somehow to cancel their agreement with Qualcomm, Because I think what will happen if this occurs is that at that point they would then no longer be able to get the same pricing right, Because if ARM wins the battle, then Qualcomm has to pay ARM more for the instruction set they use in the processors and those go on the S25. And, of course, if Qualcomm pays more for that, then they're going to raise the price of the processors. Samsung has to pay more for the processors Consumer has to pay more for the phone.
Speaker 1:Everything flows up to you. And then your S25 Ultra is no, no longer 1299 for the base model, it's 1399 for the base model. So if arm does win this is a kind of a complicated, you know, legal battle, but you might want to keep an eye on it. Of course, if you stay tuned to Sammy guru, we'll be covering it the whole time, so just bookmark.
Speaker 1:Our article will be in the show notes and you can follow up. So meet, we'll update it as new things come out. But you may want to follow it because if arm wins, you might play more in January potentially, because that's not going to be something. That's if they win and if this lawsuit plays out. You know usually it doesn't pay out that quickly, but if this gets tied up in court and you know Qualcomm has to pay some increases as a result of of it being tied up in court could go up. I mean, I think not more than 100, because that would just be a lot, but I think it could go up 100. And again, I'm just killing, killing the segues today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you are.
Speaker 1:And I'm also killing it with moving the mic around. Usually I bump my shoulder into it, but today I'm doing some mic work. Today I'm just doing a very professional job. Today I had to commend myself.
Speaker 2:You're doing good, Jeff.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to commend myself because I've had a long weekend. I'm a little tired, so I wasn't sure if I would be able to actually move this mic around or do segues today. So the other thing is that points towards an increasing cost for the S25 series is we're hearing now from Ross Young, who's a display analyst. He's a leaker who does display leaks. He has a lot of sources inside the factories in China that create a lot of the displays, manufacture them Taiwan, et cetera. Samsung has scrapped their plans to use the high-quality M14 OLED in favor of sticking with the M13 OLED in order to cut costs. So apparently Samsung is aware that the S25 Ultra could potentially have other things putting upward price pressure on it, so they originally were going to put the M14.
Speaker 2:It's like writing on the phone, for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So they saw the writing on the wall and they're like well, we're not going to use the M14 OLED, we'll use the M13 because it'll be cheaper, and then if we have to increase price because of other things other components or potentially now the issue with ARM and Qualcomm could also increase it. Now they know that, at least they have one place where they can save costs.
Speaker 1:Some people were asking me you know, how big of a deal is this? Is this really a massive deal? And the answer is, in my opinion, it's not a massive deal. The OLED display on the S24 Ultra is already fantastic. I it's not a massive deal. The OLED display on the S24 Ultra is already fantastic. I mean, there's nothing wrong with the display on this phone. It's actually a fantastic display and so I wouldn't be too concerned about that whatsoever. So, at the end of the day, not really that big of a deal. I don't think. So you don't really have to worry about it too much. It's certainly brighter and you've got better color accuracy and stuff on the M14 OLED, so there are some advantages if they had went with it, but it's not like it's going to make it a worse phone or like you shouldn't buy the phone.
Speaker 1:I would not say that this is an upgrade, where it's like this is a make or break, like I'm going to buy the S25 Ultra if it has it and I'm not if it doesn't. It's not that big of a deal. I mean, of course, samsung's display is already at the best in the business. Yeah, I mean already when I use this phone in bright sunlight. It gets so bright. No amount of even the Arizona sunlight can stop you from viewing your Samsung phone in direct sunlight. It's almost perfect. So that's pretty much the story. With the S25 Ultra, it looks like a couple of things could potentially increase the pricing, which is not what we want. It's not exactly what we would like to see.
Speaker 1:But hey at the end of the day, everyone's probably going to pay an extra $100 if it goes up anyway. Samsung knows that. So if it goes up, they're just like hey, people are going to pay it, and they probably will, because they'll give you a pretty good trade-in for your old device and they'll probably pay you it. You know why not? I'm gonna get 800 for my s22 ultra. Tori is gonna be like oh, it's only 599 to upgrade and jeff's gonna upgrade it for him anyway.
Speaker 1:So he's like ah well, because you know I'm a nice guy yeah, tori's on team sammy guru, here I'm gonna make sure tori and uh and samit both get their uh phones upgraded so we can, you know, all have s25 content anyway. Here's a teaser. Not only do I have the segues today, I've also got the teasers. If you're not a display or processor nerd which some of you may not be one thing that you definitely want to know is which colors will you be able to get the S25 series in?
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Speaker 2:Definitely, Tori wants to know like what color am I going to get, so let me run them down here for you guys. Can I beat them before they all sold out? Exactly Because it's always the worst when you go to AT&T.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:We're out of that color and you're like all right, he's like I'll get black.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Because that's all that's left. That's all that's left. But yeah, so the colors are. For the S25, you've got Moon Knight Blue, silver Shadow, sparkling Blue, sparkling Green shadow, sparkling blue, sparkling green. For the S25 Plus, you have midnight black, moon night blue, silver shadow, sparkling blue and sparkling green. So if you notice, there, the S25 and S25 Plus have the same four colors in common, plus, the S25 Plus gets an extra color the S25 doesn't have, which is midnight black. Midnight black was a previous Samsung color. It was last available on the Galaxy Note 9. So a little bit of Samsung history for you guys. See, I do know some Samsung history.
Speaker 1:People are like well, jeff, sometimes you don't remember stuff in the podcast. You're supposed to be Sammy Grew. Well, I know some stuff, let me tell you. And then here's the unfortunate news. All those exciting colors like sparkling blue and sparkling green sound pretty interesting to me, but the s25 ultra doesn't get either of those. It gets titanium black, titanium blue, titanium gray and titanium silver, and what I want to know is why in the hell does the phone have a gray and a silver color?
Speaker 1:gray and silver are basically the same, unless it's like a mirror silver, like the note 10, like the note 10 had, like that reflective silver yeah, it better be like that.
Speaker 2:That was beautiful. That was beautiful, that was the aura glow.
Speaker 1:Yes, they need to bring that back for the silver. So if they bring that back for the silver, I'll eat my words. I'll shave my head on the podcast. Yeah, I've got all these things are. Now I'm gonna shave my head on the podcast. At some point my wife is gonna be upset because I'm gonna have to end up doing it because I can't say and then not do it. But I highly doubt that that's the case. It's probably going to be like a understated, boring silver and then a darker shade of that will be the gray. So I'm a little disappointed because I want the exciting colors on the ultra yeah that you know that.
Speaker 2:That's like uh, because right after the, you know, hcc stopped making phones. My next phone was the Note 9.
Speaker 1:Yeah, did you have the midnight black? Is that what you had?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I had, because the other color was the sparkling silver.
Speaker 1:That was the Note 10.
Speaker 2:Sorry yeah, yeah, no, actually it was the Note 10. I remember that?
Speaker 1:Oh, it was the Note 10.
Speaker 2:My first one was the 9, and then I wasn't going to upgrade, but then I saw that color oh, and you got aura glow I wanted it, but they were sold out oh yeah, every at&t store I went to, so that was very popular. Yeah, actually I might have to purchase one of those on ebay, just so I have one in the office I like to have some of the older samsung relics.
Speaker 1:You know my collection. That might be one I could get for a good price oh yeah, you know I see how that is. I also want to do some like revisited, like do like a re-review of a phone, like five years later.
Speaker 2:I thought people would like that on the YouTube channel, so we might actually do that yeah.
Speaker 1:I think people would watch that. Do you think people would watch that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 1:You guys have to let us know If you want to hear about that. I could use an older phone and talk about the experience of software, but the one thing we don't know from this list is these are the standard colors. Samsung also has usually four exclusive Samsungcom colors for each phone, and so those are not on this list. So the S24 Ultra will get some exclusive colors, probably on the Samsungcom, but I wouldn't get too excited for them being really, you know, flashy. So if you want like some vibrant, crazy colors, like if you want sparkling green on the Ultra, it's probably not going to happen, which is real frustrating to me because I would like Samsung to bring back their exciting colors like the Aura Glow and also the Emerald Green, the Mirror Emerald Green from the S6 Edge, which I talked about before.
Speaker 1:That's one of my favorite colors ever on a Samsung phone. I have that one somewhere in a drawer somewhere. I love that phone. The color of that is just I mean, I can't use it anymore.
Speaker 1:It's super old, but I mean it's a beautiful phone. I wish they would bring back some exciting colors to the Ultra line because basically, you know, looking at this color list, you're getting punished for buying the much more expensive phones. Like you don't get access to the more exciting colors. If you want an interesting color, you've got to buy the S25 or S25 Plus. I mean, I don't think that's fair. You should be able to get some flashier colors even if you buy the Ultra. So I don't know, tori, if you look at this list, I mean you're going to upgrade your S22 Ultra to S25 Ultra. Let's just assume these are the colors and they're not. We'll hear about the Samsung exclusive ones. They'll leak, probably in December. We'll talk about it. We'll reevaluate that. But let's say you're going to go now titanium black, titanium blue, titanium gray, titanium silver, given that titanium silver and gray are almost the same.
Speaker 2:I know, I don't know, it's really that um probably have to be titanium blue that's probably what I would go with too that's what I'm vibing with, like the way I'm picturing it. I think that's how it's going to be. And then I'm trying to really picture, like that, titanium gray and titanium silver, like I'm thinking maybe it'll be like different shades of gray.
Speaker 1:I think the gray will be like a darker one, because they have one this year for the S24 Ultra. That was actually the one I had, well, until I switched them. Because the oleophobic coating is so garbage on the old one, I switched to my orange one. This is actually the orange. You can see the orange. This is one of the Samsung exclusive colors was orange, so I got the orange for the S24.
Speaker 1:Ultra. So I got the orange for the S24 Ultra. So I take that back. They did have some one interesting color. It's just usually with the Ultra colors they mess them up too, like one year I think it was last year, I don't know this year they don't have it. They had a red, but then when you got it, like someone bought it I think Flossy Carter bought it on YouTube and he unboxed it and he's like this is basically pink, it's not really red.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's like faded I don't want a pink phone.
Speaker 1:Like, don't do that. Like Apple, who tricked me with the Desert Titanium, it's rose gold. Now I have a rose gold phone.
Speaker 2:Yes, because I never had time to return it.
Speaker 1:So, I had to put a black case on it.
Speaker 2:Otherwise I have to walk around with a rose gold iPhone, which luckily I don't use. It tricked me. I didn't even need to get like like the color naming down. Yeah, like you know, like sure it sounds nice, but like the finished product maybe, maybe like, say, the color once you have a finished product.
Speaker 1:So I mean these ones that are called sparkling blue and sparkling green. They better be sparkling yeah if I buy one, I'm probably going to buy a sparkling blue or green probably green of the s25 plus yeah, um if I get it. If doesn't sparkle, I'm filing a lawsuit against you, Samsung there you are Just like. Arm did against Qualcomm. Let us sue you for false advertisement If I buy a phone that's sparkling green and I get it in some muted like shade of green that doesn't look sparkling. Better sparkle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like I'm imagining like maybe like there is like glitter effects, yeah, yeah, yeah, glitter effects, that would be cool. That's what I'm picturing.
Speaker 1:Something more interesting, you know. Yeah, like the Aura Glow, we really haven't had a super interesting color.
Speaker 2:No, I mean I think that's Since the Note 10. They were supposed to release these like crazy reflective colors on the original Galaxy Fold.
Speaker 1:But then, of course you know, they sent out their original units and, like, the phone was crumbling into pieces and the display was ripping to shreds and so they had to hold the launch. And then they scrapped all the colors and they're like oh, you guys wanted to buy them in all these cool like orange and yellow reflective mirror finishes. Oh well, guess what? Now we offer it one color and it's black. Yep, so here you want it. You preordered that interesting color. Well, guess what? We got Black Fold for you. You're going to like it.
Speaker 2:You're going to pay thousands of dollars and you're going to enjoy it and you're going to like it and you better not complain either, or we'll set it on fire, just like we did the Note 7. Yes, don't play. We're not playing today. Don't play with us.
Speaker 1:Anyway. So yeah, they had really interesting colors for the, and then, once all the crazy stuff happened, where they sent them to the media and everything was getting messed up, when they did the final release, they're like ah, we scrapped all those. Sorry guys, it's in black now. So sorry if you ordered the bluish-yellow one that you thought really looked cool.
Speaker 2:Not getting that now and I say bring back the fun colors. I think that again adding to, if you really want to get consumers to buy, like, keep the innovation crazy, fun colors. Uh, I remember like people like who never you know, because obviously my, my circle is not a enthusiast um, you know, I remember people like yeah, I want that phone. Like when they saw the aura glow.
Speaker 1:Like yeah, some people who are average consumers actually do buy it based on the color yeah, I think some people are enthusiasts to understand that, like people who are like not reading tech blogs every day, they don't really give a crap yeah, snapdragon 8 elite like they don't know what the hell that is, they have no idea. They have no idea what the snapdragon 8 elite is no they don't know who arm is they. I mean, if they listen to this podcast on accident and find out. That's the only way they would know.
Speaker 2:I didn't even know. Tori didn't know who Arm was.
Speaker 1:I mean, they would never know, like, how many gigahertz is the max. You know clock speed on the Snapdragon 8 Elite, you know what can it enable for AI? They don't care about any of that, they only care, like, about the color and does the phone run smoothly? Yeah does the camera take good pictures?
Speaker 1:yeah does it get long battery life? Those are the questions that the average consumer asks. They don't care how all those things happen. Like as enthusiasts. We're like, yeah well, these 10 things in the snapdragon 8 elite can make those things that you want happen.
Speaker 1:And they're like I don't really care, just make them happen yeah, so you know we're wrapped up in, like how those things happen, and does the processor have the requirements to make all those good things happen? They only care that they happen, and if they have a cool color on top of those things happening, well, even better. That that's going to make it even more exciting for the average person. So, anyway, we'll definitely revisit the colors, I'm guessing, probably sometime in December last year, ice universe published the samsungcom exclusive colors too, so we'll probably know all of them before I head to CES, which will be January 6th. I think I'll go to CES for a week. I really hope, samsung. I'm just again begging you guys if you listen to this podcast, do not hold the event the same time or right after CES. Give us a week buffer.
Speaker 1:Let me get back and chill.
Speaker 2:Not chill because I have a bunch of work to do.
Speaker 1:But at least let me get back from Vegas and chill for a little bit before I have to go and cover Unpacked, because that would be really nice and I'm a guy who sits here, does nothing but cover your company all the time, so you could be nice to me.
Speaker 2:He is the guru.
Speaker 1:For one week just give me a little bit of time. A couple of other interesting stories the Galaxy Ring 2, and I thought this was very interesting. A patent report came out that suggests the Galaxy Ring 2 could have a resizable design. So it could actually have a design. So you don't have to buy a different size, you just get it and you can resize it on your finger. So you don't need to order a size 5 or a size, you just order one size or like a larger, extra large, you put it on there and it expands a little thing that expands or contracts. So this would eliminate the need for them to have so many different skews.
Speaker 1:Yeah, as a company it's always bad to have a lot of skews, and I'm actually finding this out myself because, as I told you guys a few weeks ago, I'm starting a new case company with my friend Vu Kondrick at One for All and we are making a lot of progress that we'll be launching. I can tell you guys who listen to the podcast. It's a secret but I'll let you guys in on it because you're podcast listeners. You guys are the real fans that listen to the podcast. We'll be launching that the Monday of Black Friday week, so Novemberth actually one week away, because it's October 21 month away we'll launch our case company and I can tell you, having a lot of SKUs makes it difficult, makes it difficult to fulfill, makes it difficult to load them into your website.
Speaker 1:Samsung wants to reduce how many SKUs they have for the ring and right now they got like nine sizes and three or four colors. I forgot how many three or four, that's like 27 to 36 skews. You don't want to have that many. So if they were just like small, medium and large and they could resize, that reduces it by like 66 percent like two-thirds that would be huge.
Speaker 1:I think this would be a massive feature because I think at least some of the people who wanted to order the ring um, in the beginning they didn't, because they didn't want to have to order the sizing kit and then go back and place the order. They wanted to get it right away. So this allows people to then make that impulse purchase. Yeah, because it's like. Well, it's like with anything online, people are very short attention spans now, so it's like I'm going to buy the Galaxy Ring.
Speaker 2:You're going to read down the next Exactly.
Speaker 1:But if you're like I'm going to buy the Galaxy Ring, but then Samsung's like, oh well, we've got to send you this kit first and it'll take 7 to 10 days.
Speaker 2:And then, once you try it on your right size, you go back and order it.
Speaker 1:Well, you might forget about it by the time you try the kit on, people want it now. Yeah, so this might help them sell a lot more rings, because people would like add these to cart as an impulse buy with their phones, just like they do the watches. Right, the watches. People are like, oh, I'm buying a phone and they're going to give me a discount on the watch, because Samsung usually give you a discount on the watch if you buy a phone. Be like oh well, I'm buying the phone, they give me a discount on the ring, I'll get that ring. But the last launch it popped up. It's like we need to really send you a sizing kit, and they made it so that you really could click off of it and just order whatever size you wanted, which is what I did, and that's how I ended up with a ring that doesn't quite fit, so it wasn't a great idea, but I mean I did it.
Speaker 1:But a lot of people were scared by the fact I said, oh, you got to get a sizing kit, and then they probably forgot to come back and order, or they decided they didn't care enough to order anymore that might help samsung.
Speaker 1:So I think this could be interesting. Um, we have a picture of how the patent would work. It's basically how you would think it like, allows it to like. You know a little bit of a mechanism that allows it to like, uh, expand or contract on the finger, um, and it. I think this could be a big deal. I think it could be impressive. If they do this and then they also improve, like the gestures we talked about before, and they improve the step tracking a little bit more, the ring could end up being a solid product. I wear it every day. You guys have seen me on the podcast. This is basically my wedding ring. Now. Nicole's fine with that I've been wearing I like it Tracks my sleep If I don't feel like wearing my watch, if I wear my regular watch and not my smartwatch, I can still travel on my health stuff because I have the ring.
Speaker 1:So I didn't have to feel bad. If I take off my smartwatch, I still get my statistics. I get my hit of dopamine when I see my steps going up so. I like the watch for that reason. Is it expensive? For that purpose? Yes, but for people who do have disposable income and like tech, I think the watch with this resizing kit could be increasing in sales next year.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I mean that's what I was actually going to ask. I mean because you know, I don't really hear very much, I don't even know, besides you, anyone with the ring, but has or do you feel like it's been successful enough to profit or to warrant? Yeah, from what we've heard, is that it?
Speaker 1:has hit and exceeded their original targets. Remember, it sold out originally.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they had to restock it.
Speaker 1:So it actually exceeded what they thought it would do. They had to kind of I mean, Samsung is a little bit, they're a little more like optimistic. They're a little more cautious with their projections. Apple like, oh, we're going to sell a billion of these units, and that didn't always work out. Because they're like, oh, we're going to sell like so many of these Vision Pro VR headsets at $3,500. And they did not.
Speaker 2:I don't know if anyone read.
Speaker 1:This is not Apple News Podcast. But they're going to scrap the Vision Pro. It's getting discontinued. Actually they're planning to discontinue it. Who would have thought? $3,500 headset that does almost the same thing as a $400 MetaQuest. No one wants to spend $3,100 more.
Speaker 2:Who would have thought?
Speaker 1:I mean I would have never been able to figure that out and be like oh, $400, $3,500. The average person's like I think I'll spend $400. And then that's it. I mean, at the end of the day it's a cool tech demo and it does have some advantages, but not enough to make the average person buy it.
Speaker 2:Now.
Speaker 1:Apple's not giving up this, but not enough to make the average person buy it. Now Apple's not giving up. This is just an interesting aside. They're going to make a smaller one, which Samsung is also planning to do still, I think, one they're going to call Vision Pro Air. Of course, like a MacBook Air, It'll be thinner. It might just be smart glasses potentially. I think that'll sell a lot better because it's also going to be cheaper. Apple can get away with charging somewhat of a premium, charging eight and a half times the nearest competitor that has almost the same features. You can't get away with that. It doesn't matter who you are. Even most luxury brands can't get away with that.
Speaker 1:It needs to be eight times better or it needs to be a purely collector's product. When it comes to watches, rolex can get charged whatever they want, because it's all about the look. It's not necessarily about what it does, but when it comes to tech, it's still about what it does. The look is important, but it still has to do something to make you want to pay for it. Like a Timex and a Rolex, they both tell time, they do it in different ways, but they both do the same thing. One of them just has looks a lot better, and that's what that particular hobby is about.
Speaker 1:Tech is not all about the look though it's, it's partly about the looks, but not entirely not for real. Um, so the next story uh, you know we can't go an entire week without having an ai piece of news on this podcast, because you know this is 2024. You got to talk about AI.
Speaker 1:There's a story that came out that says that Samsung may allow Galaxy AI to change the settings on your Galaxy devices automatically for you. I don't know that I want this, so let me just kind of tell you the story first. It says that basically, samsung would then have the opportunity to learn what settings preferences you have, and then it would be able to predict what settings you want to change, or even potentially, like what you need, which keys need to be on your keyboard at any given time, before you even use those keys. So what I mean by that is you would be able to like be typing on your Galaxy or your Samsung keyboard and you know, let's say, you're going to go and you know you need to reach this far side of the keyboard, but it knows it's in this hand.
Speaker 1:It would slide that part of the keyboard over for you automatically.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that would be cool.
Speaker 1:I think that would actually be cool, but the thing is it would have to be a way for me to only turn it on for certain pieces, which Samsung is pretty good about, because I wouldn't want it to change all my settings. Like, what if you know the AI like thinks that I want? Like if it starts messing up my brightness in certain settings and it messes up in a way I don't want it. Then that would be, I would get pretty frustrated about that Cause, obviously.
Speaker 1:I am I mean most people would. I am a tech aficionado and I like my phone a certain way. I don't want it messing with certain things, but like the keyboard thing, I can see that being very useful, like if it knows I'm doing it with this hand and knows I need to reach over, and it knows, like it can maybe detect that you're maybe doing an activity that where your other hand is not free, or something it could make those things easier. Right, reachability, things automatically turned on one hand mode automatically, things like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I could see that being useful. What do you think, Tori? Do you use this kind of feature?
Speaker 2:maybe, oh yeah, no, I think I mean, like most average consumers would definitely want to use that. You know, because, like when you think most of us are, I don't know too many people who do like the voice. You know to text, you know for most things, but a lot of times people are doing a lot with their hand and these phones are like so big. Now, you know, but the focus with like one UI, like you know, re-centering things back to just using with the one hand, I feel like that'd be a much welcome addition. And I feel like that would be a much welcome addition, you know, instead of like having to reach for certain things or depending on how you're laying down or maybe sitting, you know like that will really help the assistant.
Speaker 1:I think so too. Yeah, I think people would use this feature. I mean, like I said, I think it would have to be such that I could turn off this feature as it pertains to certain settings.
Speaker 2:I would like an easy turn off too, as it pertains to certain settings. So, like, I would like a easy turn off. Yeah, it would be nice. I don't want to sift through a lot of menus.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, if like in the galaxy I menu, it's like here's like whatever they call it. Let's say they call it like ai settings. If you could have like a toggle inside ai settings that says like display keyboard, blah, blah, like, okay, I don't want it to do anything that affects my display, turn that off. I don't want to do anything that affects you know, like my quick panel or something I whatever. I don't want it to do anything that affects these specific aspects, because these are things I like a certain way and I don't want ai to interpret what I like because it might not do it correctly yeah, um now, of course I would test it to see how it does in the beginning, but I would imagine certain things it would mess up because AI is still not perfect, but there would be some places the keyboard.
Speaker 1:I would definitely give it a shot and I could see it being useful. So I'm not going to say no to this entirely. I do think that it could be something that might be interesting in the future Segwaying, again with a beautiful segue.
Speaker 1:you're talking about One UI, one UI 7, of course, we have to have some more information about One UI 7. And so let's take a look at that, and so let's go to the link. My computer is, of course, once again deciding to be very rude today it's like it's like, no, we're not going to let you visit this link and I'm like, well, you know what, we're going to do it anyway.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Cause I'm the boss of this computer.
Speaker 1:You put some extra information in here. That's why, I guess, probably when I pasted it into the word document. Anyway, the Galaxy One UI 7.0 leaks that we saw at SDC have now changed quite a bit. So you guys remember when I saw them at SDC 2024, the quick settings. They looked a certain way. Everything looked a certain way. Well, Samsung has already changed some of these things and a new internal build actually appeared in a video on YouTube. Someone who is within Samsung or has access to an early phone. They posted new screenshots of what this looks like. So now the quick panel has been redesigned a little bit. From what I saw at SDC, you can actually see right there Now they've made it. So the tiles are a little bit wider. It's like the brightness and the volume tile this one right here you can see it's a little wider. Those were individual tiles and they were a little smaller, so it was a little more broken up. I think it looks a little better.
Speaker 2:It looks a lot cleaner.
Speaker 1:I do think these might end up actually being resizable in the end. When I played with it at SDC, I tried to resize them. If you actually look at my video where I covered the early build on that demo device, I tried to resize them and you couldn't. But I think they might be resizable by the time we get the stable build. That's just a gut feeling of how I kind of feel like Samsung might be trending in that way.
Speaker 1:This is what they look like when they're expanded. So the full tire. You know quick settings. We still have the two separate sides, so the left is notifications and the right is the quick settings. This is the notifications. Those haven't changed much. That looks exactly like it did when I did the video at SDC. This is the camera UI. Remember, we moved this stuff to the bottom so it's more one-handed. I think people do like that in general. Also, you've got the little menu there that expands to the different modes. There's a little four-dot menu, so this makes it a little more easy to use. At the top when you're in video mode, it shows you like your resolution and like your different modes.
Speaker 1:So then you have like that on the top and the modes on the bottom, so you can easily access your shutter and all that stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh, I like that, that's good.
Speaker 1:They also have a new charging animation. So this is something that I didn't get to test um at sdc because I didn't get to unplug and plug the phone in, obviously because it was hooked up to a demo area. But this is the animation we're talking about. When you plug your phone in, you know how it like, makes a little animation and shows you that it's charging and then it shows you the percentage, exactly the circle this one's going to be new.
Speaker 1:It's going to be a pill shaped animation, oh and so it'll be like a little pill shaped battery, and you'll be filling it up with green which is being criticized for being like you-know-who Apple, because that's how theirs looks too. It doesn't look too apple-y, but it is close enough that it's obviously inspired by the scent of a certain fruit, as Samsung would say in their new HomeUp module. The scent of a certain fruit, yeah, and it makes a little different animation. It also animates.
Speaker 2:It switches up a little bit, yeah, it does look nice.
Speaker 1:People have been asking for this. I say people Hardcore enthusiasts have been asking for the new charging animation for years. I don't think the average consumer cares. They don't even notice what it does when they plug in their phone. This is just people who are like you know, people who have time to think about this, like us. We, we've been asking for it, uh, and then it also makes a little animation at the top, um, and shows the new charging icon at the top with a little pill shaped as well, with the same like green um charging now that looks the same that it did when I was at sdc.
Speaker 1:Um, of course I didn't get to see the actual animation because I didn't get to unplug and plug it in they probably would have have been pretty upset about that if I started disassembling the demo.
Speaker 2:They'd be like what the hell is this guy doing?
Speaker 1:We already let him take all these pictures and now he's disassembling the demo area. So I didn't do that, but it looks interesting. Overall, I think they're making good progress. They also changed one of the most controversial things that I covered at SDZ and remember the rainbow gallery icon. Well, apparently they changed the rainbow gallery icon now in 7.0. It is now like this it is a pinkish-orange gradient. So this is remember last week I showed you the concept icons that we thought was going to be all red.
Speaker 1:Well, it looks like this is now reddish-orange gradient which is a little bit different than what Ice Universe originally kind of said, that it would be in the leaks. So I don't know how I feel about it. It kind of reminds me of the Galaxy Store icon because that has a pinkish-orange gradient. It looks like they're just like let's just copy the one we already have in the store and then just overlay the flower that we have in the original gallery and we'll just darken the colors and the gradient and we're done.
Speaker 1:But the crazy thing about this, though, that I think it still looks disjointed because the settings icon is like flat, with black and silver settings cog. The voice recorder is still flat, my files are still flat, the clock is still flat. There's no gradient on any of the other stock icons that you can see here. The calendar looks like it might have a little bit of gradient, and a couple of other people on x leaked some other icons that weren't in this guy's video.
Speaker 1:the messages is now like a blue to white gradient yeah but I really feel like if they're going to do the gradient, they need to do it on all of them or it just looks disjointed. And I also feel like if you do the gradient on all of them, then it's going to look like a cheap ripoff of a chinese android skin, like xiaomi or huawei, so I don't know, but it just seems kind of disjointed, like to have this settings cog that's black and silver, with the gradient gallery icon. I don't know. I mean the stores, the galaxy stores, always had kind of a gradient look. So I don't know, what do you think, dory? What are your thoughts on the new icon evolution?
Speaker 2:okay. I feel like okay, because the way the colors are now currently I like them. But you know, even looking at what we looked at last week, with just like the kind of switch or the gradient of the colors or the transitioning of the colors like a little bit more like darker in some areas, lighter in some areas, yeah like I just feel like it kind of looks exactly like how you said. It's kind of like a cheap version. So I just, I don't know, either keep it or just change the colors, just like a little bit slightly, but definitely keep the designs. I like how the designs are and I'm glad they kind of not made it very colorful, like with the picture icon that we were looking at or the gallery icon.
Speaker 1:You mean the rainbow one? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think this is an improvement from the rainbow one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, way, way better. Yeah, yeah, I feel like that would be too much going on. I guess I'm okay if a couple of the icons are gradients and a couple of them aren't. It just seems like to make it a unified look that's like branded. You would want most of them to be a similar theme Like the settings, one is far removed.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, for sure, I mean I know, settings is usually not very colorful on any phone, but the actual like design of the icon that's on top of the black portion of the settings, the cog icon, has a you know, striking departure from the other ones as well.
Speaker 2:Well, you know. Okay, here's what I like. I like and when you say brand, I actually like that. I like the colors that they have and the white icons. That just looks really nice to me. I don't really have many other Samsung people and again, I don't even think a lot of the average consumers even look at that. It's probably more so for the PCs. I don't really know either.
Speaker 1:what is wrong with the current icons? I mean I guess they're not perfect, but I mean I don't know. I don't know that these are a massive improvement over the new ones.
Speaker 2:You, can see actually if you look at the Galaxy Store icon right there that looks very similar to the gallery.
Speaker 1:Now, right, so they're like let's just copy and paste. And why would the gallery? In the store have the same colors? I don't even know.
Speaker 2:And if you look at samsung news, look at the samsung news icon that one has the same color profile too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it does, it does.
Speaker 2:So it's like they're just putting this like pink to orange gradient everywhere now yeah, I mean that's like the majority of like, like when I look at the camera, the store, the gallery, contacts, but I guess you know it's all a very I mean, I guess you can't, uh, I guess you can't be too upset they said we didn't like the rainbow, and they got rid of that, so yeah, I mean, I like this better. What do you want?
Speaker 1:I like this better than the rainbow so if anybody on the samsung dev team's listening, you know I'll deal with this, even though I still think it's a little disjointed. The design. But as long as the rainbow is my main point of contention, I didn't like that because it's too close to Apple or one of the Chinese OEMs. This is still more uniquely Samsung, even if it's kind of disjointed. I mean the current settings icon. You know, I don't know, I think the current settings icon. Look at the current settings icon.
Speaker 2:I think it's better than this one. Actually, I prefer this because it kind of keeps in theme with the internet and the gallery and the camera.
Speaker 1:I think the settings card looks better on the current version. But whatever you guys can, let us know what you think, Definitely chime in. Tag us over on X on your thoughts on the icons. I have a video coming on YouTube this weekend too, breaking down my thoughts, basically what I said here. I'm coming on YouTube this weekend to breaking down my thoughts, basically what I said here, but you know the thing is 500 people listen to this every week and like 50,000 people will watch it on YouTube.
Speaker 1:So that's why sometimes there's overlap between the podcast and YouTube.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and maybe like a lighter gray, just because all the other colors seem lighter, except for settings. I feel like settings is always the awkward step down. Yeah, settings is always playing. Yeah, it's always playing great, I'm not complaining about that.
Speaker 1:I just think it's a little, I don't know. Hopefully this is not their final. Obviously they've changed it a lot since SDC, so obviously they're listening to the feedback that this is probably not what needs to be the final version. So hopefully they'll go ahead and allow us to see maybe one more iteration. It does look like just continuing with this. I think this is probably our last story before I do a few questions. It does look like the beta might release a little bit earlier than we thought.
Speaker 1:A word came out from another leaker on Twitter that the internal build that's stable-ish, like non-alpha version, is mandated by Samsung management, by TMRO. I guess that it needs to be done by Halloween 1031. So they need to have a stable enough build by 1031 internally. He's not saying you have to release the beta on that day, but if there's a stable internal build, that means essentially any time from November 1st onward we could potentially have a beta release, because you have to have a stable internal build first that you think is stable enough that would be like a release candidate for the beta and then maybe do a little bit more testing. So based on that information, potentially maybe before Thanksgiving we might see the beta, which would be really nice, because we thought it was going to be late December, so that's a whole month early.
Speaker 1:I'll take it, I'll take it. I mean, I'll be a little stressed if they launch it during Black Friday week because I'm going to be launching a brand new business, the Case Company. I don't really want to launch that brand new business and also then have to cover all the One UI 7 stuff. But that's just business. I'll do it if I have to. I will not sleep until Thanksgiving. Then I'll just eat a meal and I'll go to sleep for 25, 30 hours and wake up on Saturday and watch Alabama lose in the Iron Bowl, probably.
Speaker 2:Probably Because that's the way it's trending.
Speaker 1:Just to tie it all full circle to our beginning discussion. That's the way it's trending. So I'll sleep for 25 hours after I launch our new case company cover One UI 7 stuff. And I'll go to sleep for a long time after eating my Thanksgiving meal.
Speaker 1:Yes, anyway, let's wrap it up a little bit with a Q&A. There's two questions. I know that I saw that I was going to address that people had asked me during the week. The first one was about the hidden apps that I talked about last week. Someone was asking do I know which of the apps? Remember I said last week there are certain apps on your Samsung phone that you can't search for in the Galaxy store, like to find the updates. I was talking about that because I think last week we talked about one of those was Samsung Cloud or another one that you can't search for. It was the Samsung Capture with the Smart Select.
Speaker 1:I know like five of them off the top of my head, which I'll tell you. There's more, though. Samsung Cloud is one of them. Samsung Capture is another one. Decopick, which is actually a very weird Samsung app that probably none of you have heard of.
Speaker 2:Never heard of it.
Speaker 1:It actually controls some of the emojis and stuff that are attached to the keyboard and also stickers that you can use when you're editing photos in the gallery. That's still integrated, but you're not supposed to know it exists. It used to be a standalone app. It was actually its own icon a long time ago on the phones, so that's the third one icon a long time ago on the phones. So that's the third one.
Speaker 1:The customization services, which is the application that lets Samsung customize your experience based on information they collect. So it basically means that you give them consent to collect your data and send it to their third-party partners. They don't want you to know about that, so that also is not able to be seen until it's ready to be updated. They're just hoping you don't look at it when you see the update come in. I made a video about this one time saying you know, be aware of this Samsung app because it's there and people don't really pay attention to the fact that it's you know, you agree to it when you sign up for a Galaxy account, a Samsung account.
Speaker 1:But all companies have these. It's not like anybody else does in Apple, Google, et cetera. They, All companies have these. It's not like anybody else does in Apple, Google et cetera.
Speaker 1:They all collect some form of data. Apple tries to say they don't collect any, but of course we know that that's very much not true. And then someone else did ask me another question, which was actually about something else I mentioned last week, and that was about the Tab S10 Ultra. Someone asked me if I had noticed any differences in multitasking performance with the new processor, because of course, now it's using the MediaTek processor instead of a Qualcomm processor. It's very weird. Also, just as an aside, tm Rowe came to the Snapdragon Summit. He was there. He's very rarely at anything that's not unpacked, because he's not too good to go to anything else, especially other people's events. It was very awkward, though. The guy who was the president of Qualcomm's development team. I forgot the guy's name. I should know this, because now they're not going to invite me to Hawaii next year.
Speaker 2:They invite me every year.
Speaker 1:They're paying attention and then they'll watch this and they'll listen to this and they'll be like well, we heard that guy was going to go next year.
Speaker 1:We're not going to invite him now, but he invited TM Rowe up and he's like yeah, we love Samsung, we love being partners with you guys, we love Samsung, we love Galaxy. And he's like TM Rowe, you love Qualcomm, you love Snapdragon, right. And TM Rowe was like he didn. He didn't say anything and they just started talking. This guy and him have been very they've been friends for a long time, so I think, maybe he's just nervous because, you know, English is not his first language.
Speaker 1:And even when he does the Galaxy events. Sometimes you can tell like he's paying attention to the teleprompter. So probably he was paying attention to that a little bit. I don't think he it was just awkward, because he's like you, love Snapdragon, right and he's like, he's just like waiting.
Speaker 2:He's like, uh, it's like help me out here, and then eventually he just left the stage and let him start talking maybe he didn't realize that he was going to say that ahead of time, but it was kind of funny.
Speaker 1:So the answer is no, I haven't really noticed any differences. I do a lot of multitasking on my taviston ultra. Usually what I have it open, I have it in there in my main office here at sammy guru. When I'm doing like video editing and whatever else I'm doing writing for the website, I keep a couple things open. On the tabestan ultra I keep a split screen open that has my gmail, because I have three different gmail accounts one personal one which is also kind of used for youtube business. Because I've never been able to migrate fully from people to email me there, I told them not to'm like please email this other address. It's very unfortunate. I've got to fix this at some point. I have one for Dope Tech Daily, which was my old website. People email me there because some brands got used to emailing me there, and now I have one for Sammy Kuru. So I have those Gmail boxes open so I can see incoming messages and then I can triage them. And then I have my Twitter feed open on the other side so I can respond to people, because that's my main other social account. Then I have pop-up windows, my multitasking for Slack, which is what we use to communicate, for Samiguru Asana, which is our task manager, so I can assign articles and stuff. And then I also have my Chrome browser open in a pop-up as well so I can do some research and I haven't noticed any issues. Now I don't game on my tablet that much because I have a console. My PS5 is what I mainly game on. But I did play some mobile games and it seems just as snappy, just as good as my Tab S9 Ultra.
Speaker 1:So I would say overall, if you want to buy a Tab S10 Ultra, go for it. It's not a downgrade. For sure Whether or not it's the massive upgrade from the Tab S9 Ultra, the answer is no. I answered that last week. I wouldn't buy one. If you have a Tab S9 Ultra, because the anti-reflective coating is cool, it's great. But to pay that all that, it's a lot of money. If you upgrade it's going to cost like $700 even after the trade-in. That's how much I paid after taxes. Definitely don't do that. I mean that's too much money, for you know you need a pretty big upgrade. I would need massive performance improvements massive. I haven't seen any massive battery life improvements either. So the MediaTek processor really isn't that much more efficient, it's about the same. But the battery life was massive on the Tab S9 Ultra as well. So I'm not telling you battery life is a disappointment, it's not. It's just that if you're asking me, should you get rid of your Tab S9 Ultra and get this, the answer is no.
Speaker 1:If you've got like a Tab S8 Ultra or an older Samsung tablet and you want that big, massive, 14.6-inch tablet, you have to want that then yeah, get it. I mean, if you have a specific use case, because, remember, if you want to use it as like a laptop, you've got to spend an extra $350 to get the keyboard case. Laptop, you've got to spend an extra $350 to get the keyboard case. So as long as you're planning to use it in a specific use case where you need all that screen real estate, it works great for me because I already have my laptop with my two screens doing my main work. I use it as a secondary display for social media, slack, all that stuff, so I don't have to open those on my main displays.
Speaker 1:I just keep my Premiere Pro video editor, the blog SammyGuru, open so I can work on articles and that way I don't get distracted by other stuff. It's on the tablet screen so then I'm able to like go down there If I want to look at something, I can go back up here. I don't have that stuff distracting my workflow. So if you have that specific use case, it might be worth getting the big tablet. But definitely don't upgrade from a Tab S9 Ultra. Wait for the Tab S11. If there even is a Tab S11, they're probably going to jump to the Tab S20 Ultra or something, because they never had an.
Speaker 1:S11 phone, so we can debate that at another time. Anything else, tori, that you have you want to tell the people.
Speaker 2:No, I don't think so At some point.
Speaker 1:Tori, we've got to get you to come to a show with me. I At some point, Tori, we've got to get you to come to a show with me. I wish that you could make it at CES.
Speaker 2:I wish you started back to school later.
Speaker 1:I know we're actually planning to hold a little party for the new Case brand. Vuk might be coming to CES. He might be flying from Europe to come and help hold a little mixer for that, so that should be fun. I'll definitely have to save you a care package. We're going to hopefully invite some other YouTubers and like give them a care package of the new cases so maybe they can talk about them a little bit with their followers and give us a little bit of a word of mouth advertising, because I have some YouTubers who are my friends. I wouldn't ask them to do it for free if they weren't my friends. But the ones who are my friends, you know I've done them favors. They might do me a favor and just say hey this guy's got some new cases.
Speaker 1:Maybe check it out. So, if you guys like cases, we've got some big news coming next month. I mean, I think this is going to be something that, honestly, will change the case landscape. It's going to be something new where you don't just get a case when you buy a case. That's a little teaser. You won't just get a case. You'll get a lot of other value from the purchase, which is a big deal. Usually, when you buy a case, that's the end of the story, but now you're going to get a lot of other things that will hopefully make you feel like you got your money's worth Definitely better value than buying an $80 case from a company that rhymes with Stastify.
Speaker 1:Yes, no one knows which one I'm talking about. I don't want to call anyone out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just saying $80 case from a company that rhymes with Mastify, but anyway, I think that's pretty much it. We'll see you guys next week. Hopefully I will have a shiny.
Speaker 2:Z Fold.
Speaker 1:Special Edition in my hand and also some Halloween candy here for me and Tori to enjoy, because I'll be rummaging through Jonathan's spoils to bring in for the office the next day when we have the next podcast. And until then, everybody who's celebrating have a happy Halloween and, this week, keep expanding your galaxy.